991.2 driving impressions.
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Burning Brakes
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991.2 driving impressions.
So I drove a 4S yesterday.
Ok it was right after driving a 14TT which I liked a lot, but surely it ought not to have been that laggy? I floored it at 25 and it took a good half second before it started moving.
Dealer is trying to talk me into a new PTS one, but it really wasn't doing it for me from a driving perspective.
Am I too picky or has anyone else had the same impression?
Ok it was right after driving a 14TT which I liked a lot, but surely it ought not to have been that laggy? I floored it at 25 and it took a good half second before it started moving.
Dealer is trying to talk me into a new PTS one, but it really wasn't doing it for me from a driving perspective.
Am I too picky or has anyone else had the same impression?
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Alan--When you floored it, unless you were driving a MT, it should have downshifted almost immediately and there would have been little lag. Even in normal mode I've found the PDK in my .2 C4S to be very responsive to throttle tip-in. Between more torque and a quicker reacting PDK, this car feels more responsive than my .1 C2S and funner to drive on the canyon and mountain roads around my home. I've even found that normal mode with the PSE on is about as fun and responsive as my .1 in sport mode. My view, not trying to be flamed or start another .1 v .2. I love, loved my C2S and miss the little extra sound from PSE.
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Burning Brakes
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It was a pdk.
I thought the 17 4S was awful. Compared to a .1TT, not a .1xS.
Remember I drove it right after a 14TT with PDK. It may have been the extra torque of the TT hiding things but I thought the rev like crazy and do nothing for a half second in the .2 was no fun.
Wasn't looking for a fight. I wondered if anyone felt the same is all.
Dealer was trying to upsell me into a new one saying I won't notice the difference because the 100hp and 100+ ft/lb difference is negligible... I did...
I thought the 17 4S was awful. Compared to a .1TT, not a .1xS.
Remember I drove it right after a 14TT with PDK. It may have been the extra torque of the TT hiding things but I thought the rev like crazy and do nothing for a half second in the .2 was no fun.
Wasn't looking for a fight. I wondered if anyone felt the same is all.
Dealer was trying to upsell me into a new one saying I won't notice the difference because the 100hp and 100+ ft/lb difference is negligible... I did...
Burning Brakes
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Depends on what mode the car was in. Normal mode the car runs higher gears and is really for cruising. S mode is better. S+ is high revving power mode. But if you floored the car at low revs in normal mode it will not be great. I have no complaints with my 991.2, but if I drove it right after a real turbo P car I might feel different. I am pretty happy with engine response in S mode for general driving.
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How did they compare in manual mode instead of auto? I'm more curious how the engine response is after you select the gear you want and then add gas, vs the programming of the pdk trying to figure out what you're trying to ask for.
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No clue. They were PDKs.
I compared apples:apples, and wasn't wanting to see if I could make the newer car closer to the older one. I wanted to see if the claim that the difference wasn't noticeable was even close to true. It wasn't, IMO.
There wasn't a 17 stick on the lot to try.
I would love to try a TTS, but that would require a lottery win...
Oh and even though I'm a manual die hard, I like pdk for traffic a lot. Hadn't driven one of those either.
I compared apples:apples, and wasn't wanting to see if I could make the newer car closer to the older one. I wanted to see if the claim that the difference wasn't noticeable was even close to true. It wasn't, IMO.
There wasn't a 17 stick on the lot to try.
I would love to try a TTS, but that would require a lottery win...
Oh and even though I'm a manual die hard, I like pdk for traffic a lot. Hadn't driven one of those either.
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Have you driven a .1 recently?
I ask only because they do exactly the same thing in "Normal" mode, because the power really kicks in at 4K rpm. The big-T Turbo doesn't do that, it just goes (in Sport mode at least, but that's the first button I hit when I get in the car, so I have no idea how "Normal" feels. The comparison to the S (.1 or .2) is pretty stark if you're looking for immediacy.
I ask only because they do exactly the same thing in "Normal" mode, because the power really kicks in at 4K rpm. The big-T Turbo doesn't do that, it just goes (in Sport mode at least, but that's the first button I hit when I get in the car, so I have no idea how "Normal" feels. The comparison to the S (.1 or .2) is pretty stark if you're looking for immediacy.
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I test drove a .2 base and, while I could definitely tell it was FI, I didn't find it very laggy at all. But if you just floor the throttle at very low rpms in any turbo, even a really good one, you're gonna get a little lag. But who drives around like that anyway? I'm not a fan of some of the new styling cues, but I thought the drive of the new car was fantastic.
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I have recently ordered a 991.2 C2S and was impressed at the relatively low perceivable level of lag.
Once you engage sport or sport plus and select the right gear you are "off to the races".
In normal mode, the car is always in a high gear and you will find the turbo lag is more discernible.
Turbo charged cars are just like NA cars - you have to select the correct gear to ensure you are in the optimum part of the rev range
Once you engage sport or sport plus and select the right gear you are "off to the races".
In normal mode, the car is always in a high gear and you will find the turbo lag is more discernible.
Turbo charged cars are just like NA cars - you have to select the correct gear to ensure you are in the optimum part of the rev range
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I think people are confusing turbo lag with the car downshifting.
In the TT/TTS when you go WOT in a high(er) gear the momentary delay for the car to downshift to the right gear and then accelerate is less noticeable given the higher torque.
In the TT/TTS when you go WOT in a high(er) gear the momentary delay for the car to downshift to the right gear and then accelerate is less noticeable given the higher torque.
