Canadian dealers cannot sell new Porsches for export to the USA. Secondly, dealers have no 911's in stock. My dealer is now selling 911's for Jan. delivery. Don't expect much discount if the situation is the same in the US.

 

My dealer said I might see 2% off MSRP and if I financed through them, they get an allowance from the financial institution which they would pass on (about $1,500.00). Since I'm paying cash, that doesn't help me. I was told that for a March/April delivery, I should be placing an order by October/November out of the dealer's allocation. I'm hoping to see around 5% off MSRP, but time will tell. Used cars are in short supply right now, but come the end of the season, I'm thinking there will be more around and more motivated dealers. In addition, maybe a low mileage 991.2 C2 base that someone decided to move up from? Who knows, maybe I'm completely off on all of this and I'll be paying MSRP less 2%?

 

If you can get that big of a discount for financing, why wouldn't you? Finance it and pay off the loan in a couple of months.

I guess I ended up with a solid deal - a strong discount and a September delivery from a July order.

To the OP, I test drove a 2014 C2 and it was fine ... but it became less than fine after I drove a 2017 C2 & C2S. If you're strongly leaning toward the used C2, do yourself a favor and DON'T drive a newer car. I'd be considering a 991.1 C2S or a 991.2 C2 in your position.

 

I paid MSRP - 2.1% after waiting a month or two for an available allocation. Maybe I could have haggled another 1% but probably not more than that as other buyers are waiting. This is a new car at release, it's selling well compared to production, and my local market has plenty of buyers. Turbocharging has a bigger benefit when you live at altitude.

A few local markets are seeing as good as 4.5-5% discounts, but when you figure shipping costs and factor in the hassle the net savings aren't anything I'm going to lose sleep over. I wouldn't sweat it. Resale values look strong in your market, that's nice for you. You might inquire about lease residuals to see what the bank is planning on in the long term.

 

Get the 991.2... it's a newer car with newer tech... and you are getting a BRAND NEW CAR. To get a used car I would want a bigger price differential.

 

I discussed the price differential with the dealer yesterday when I dropped by to look at the car. He understood my point and said I should drive the 991.1 base coupe and not worry about the price - just see if I like the car and whether it is quick enough for my taste. If it is, he said the dealership will work with me on price. If we couldn't get to a number that made sense to me, he is happy to order a new one for me.

On the issue of depreciation, no clear answer. A 911 in Canada will have a residual of about 57% after 36 months. So, a 3 year old 911.1 C2S that originally sold for $140,000 should have a value of around $85,000 today, yet they have a 2012 on the lot with 12,000 miles, asking $100,000 (6 1/2 year old car). I asked the dealer about that as I am trying to understand what a new 911 will be worth on trade in 3 years. Do they give me 55% of what I paid for it and then put it on the lot for 75% of its original value?

Black Book says the wholesale on the car I'm looking at is around $89,000. If I were to pay $95,000 for this car with 5,000 miles on it, I'd be saving around $22,000 although I'd be getting a very lightly optioned 991.1.

Who knows, maybe when I drive the 991.1 base tomorrow I might feel that it is more than enough for the way I drive and I'll enjoy it. If not, as long as I don't go over my budget on a new one, a 991.2 base will be the way to go for me.

The 24 hour test drive will help me decide. Thanks for everyone's input.

 

At 100K CDN the 2012 is no bargain. Buy a new base 911. It will outperform the 5 year old C2S and it's brand spanking new. Secondly, new 911's are cheaper in Canada and the used ones are migrating to the US market. This inflates the value of used 911's.

 

Hi Petee, regarding used car prices, that is what I'm suspecting. Our cars are going to the US with the 1.30 exchange rate, even though the cars originally sold for about 15% more (at par) than the same US car, a buyer is saving 15% or more on a used car from here and likely much lower mileage.

I appreciate your advise. I'm going to drive the 911.1 tomorrow. It would be nice if I could find a 991.2 base to drive as a comparison, but nothing around. I'm leaning new at this point.

 

Do yourself a favor and keep the RPMs up. If you do, you won't be disappointed. Plus it sounds good. The 3.4 is truly an old school 911 in that regard. If you floor it at 1500 RPM and expect a big shove, get the 991.2 (or a Hellcat).

 

Where in Canada are you? Both dealerships here in Toronto have 991.2 C2S's ready for test drives.

 

Pfaff in Toronto shows no cars in inventory on their site.They would normally have 30+ 911's at this time of the year. I am in Ottawa and Mark Motors didn't have any in stock as of last week. These dealers may have some coming that are unsold. Downtown Fine Cars shows 2 C2S and 1 Turbo in stock. Maybe they aren't getting enough allocations.

All I can say is that I'm happy I ordered my car last Oct. and I was lucky enough to get a launch vehicle. The car was delivered April 19th.

 

I fully agree... the used market is artificially high when you factor in the the US exchange rate. A new Porsche in Canadian dollars makes sense. A pleasant turn of events! Go new!

 

Yet someone in Toronto just bought a 2012 C2S from my market for $100,000. Why? Because of the low mileage. The larger markets are picking up smaller market cars because we don't drive them much.

 

After driving the 991.1 base overnight, I have the flooding observations: This car is lethargic at low speeds unless it is revving - I was advised of that above. On our roads, road noise (tire roar) is quite loud and on less than perfect roads the ride can be almost punishing at times. I don't seem to recall the 991,2 C2S coupe riding as rough or being as loud. Is that my imagination or has there been an improvement with the 991.2 in those areas? I think if this car is better riding in .2 form I'd consider it, but as it is I'll be passing on the .1 base I drove. It isn't because it doesn't have enough power though. With respect to options, I agree with the salesman. For daily driving, you don't need allot of options to enjoy this car. For the track, its another matter. Just my impressions.