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It's all about power to weight ratios and precise handling set ups.
If the RS is in the top RPM range with its higher power output, enough so it has overcome the aero power requirements, the .2S can't really keep up, especially going uphill (where power to weight numbers are the most important ratio to be analyzed).
Arguing torque numbers is not useful since they are time independent. One needs to implement the RPM numbers where the given torque numbers show up. In other words, horsepower.
Then comes cornering abilities, the RS is profoundly better, especially at higher speeds.
To me it sounds like the RS, with its short gears, just wasn't revved to its highest HP ratings.
This is additional propaganda... CNN states the drivers' names in the credits. Stevie Wonder was driving the RS and Jeff Gordon was driving the 991.2. If you switch drivers then the results would perhaps reciprocate.
This is the best David and Goliath story ever. When he engaged over boost the GT3 RS was history. Flames appeared in the rear view mirror with the PSE in full open position. Smoke was coming through the sound symposer.
Most people don't understand/accept the reality that the difference between the 'pedestrian' 911s and the GT cars really isn't that much if set up right; it's there, but it's not huge. People will argue all day that the GT4 is some amazing pure sports car and the 991 is a bloated grand tourer, yet the C2S lapped the Ring faster than the GT4. Clock don't lie.
I agree ^^^ all of these variants are close if all that matters is the clock. Also depends on the driver. Most guys including myself don't buy a car based on someone's ring time. I buy it for the enjoyment I'll get out of it. One isn't "better" than the next one. They're all great cars, and get one you'll personally enjoy the most. Whatever way that may be. Track, weekend driver, daily driver, or show car.
Most people don't understand/accept the reality that the difference between the 'pedestrian' 911s and the GT cars really isn't that much if set up right; it's there, but it's not huge. People will argue all day that the GT4 is some amazing pure sports car and the 991 is a bloated grand tourer, yet the C2S lapped the Ring faster than the GT4. Clock don't lie.
And a 45k used corvette will destroy them all on the track
my SPB lapped thill faster than most gt cars there last weekend and I'm no super hero track driver
Lap time comparisons are largely a joke as well, go out and drive a global Miata and a 991 GT3 on all seasons
The amateur will lap faster in the 991 and the pro will destroy his own time in the 991 in the spec Miata and lap the amateur in the 991
Most people don't understand/accept the reality that the difference between the 'pedestrian' 911s and the GT cars really isn't that much if set up right; it's there, but it's not huge. People will argue all day that the GT4 is some amazing pure sports car and the 991 is a bloated grand tourer, yet the C2S lapped the Ring faster than the GT4. Clock don't lie.
100% agree. A 911 is a 911. As they climb the ladder the hype gets so high it tends to open up wallets.
Most people don't understand/accept the reality that the difference between the 'pedestrian' 911s and the GT cars really isn't that much if set up right; it's there, but it's not huge. People will argue all day that the GT4 is some amazing pure sports car and the 991 is a bloated grand tourer, yet the C2S lapped the Ring faster than the GT4. Clock don't lie.
Originally Posted by STG
I agree ^^^ all of these variants are close if all that matters is the clock. Also depends on the driver. Most guys including myself don't buy a car based on someone's ring time. I buy it for the enjoyment I'll get out of it. One isn't "better" than the next one. They're all great cars, and get one you'll personally enjoy the most. Whatever way that may be. Track, weekend driver, daily driver, or show car.
Originally Posted by audipwr1
And a 45k used corvette will destroy them all on the track
my SPB lapped thill faster than most gt cars there last weekend and I'm no super hero track driver
Lap time comparisons are largely a joke as well, go out and drive a global Miata and a 991 GT3 on all seasons
The amateur will lap faster in the 991 and the pro will destroy his own time in the 991 in the spec Miata and lap the amateur in the 991
These cars are about emotion not about pure speed
Carry on
Not sure, that's not entirely accurate.
While lap times are nice, most (if not all) of the time the quoted figures are the a single best lap time for a particular car.
What makes Porsche GT cars unique is that they can take a beating, lap after lap, in miserably hot weather, and as long as the driver has the human stamina to keep up, the car will spit out consistent lap times time after time after.
Maybe a 911 Carrera variant can match or beat a GT3/RS for a single lap (or two), but what happens after 30 minutes on the circuit?
I'm not even going to respond to the Corvette in terms of staying upright in any type of ambient temp above 85F.
For the weekend HPDE warrior, it's a lot more important to have a car that can stay on the track for the entire duration of your run group, and to endure the length of the day.
Not sure, that's not entirely accurate. While lap times are nice, most (if not all) of the time the quoted figures are the a single best lap time for a particular car. What makes Porsche GT cars unique is that they can take a beating, lap after lap, in miserably hot weather, and as long as the driver has the human stamina to keep up, the car will spit out consistent lap times time after time after. Maybe a 911 Carrera variant can match or beat a GT3/RS for a single lap (or two), but what happens after 30 minutes on the circuit? I'm not even going to respond to the Corvette in terms of staying upright in any type of ambient temp above 85F. For the weekend HPDE warrior, it's a lot more important to have a car that can stay on the track for the entire duration of your run group, and to endure the length of the day. Pro drivers, or racers, different story entirely.
That corvette stuff is internet lore - I've run a corvette at Bondurant in 105 ambient non stop for 45 minutes at full bore with no motor problems - they do tend to nuke brake caliper seals, but that is also fixable
Weekend hpde warrior doesn't need a GT car that's complete BS and most people aren't even with 60% of a GT max capability so all that GT special sauce is silliness
And when you do get to its max stuff goes wrong with it just like any other car
Those car editors are slow as sh*t usually as well so doesn't matter what their max lap is
Point being you don't need a GT car to go lap around as a HPDE driver not at all
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