Let's Talk Colors and Cost
05-17-2016, 04:13 PM
#16
Ford will still charge $4-500 more for a few "special" colors. I dont get it because they will still make thousands of those.
When I first heard of PTS Porsche colors I was under the impression that you gave them a color you wanted and they did it, I heard of it in relation to "baller" cars that wanted them made in their team's colors. A truly special and unique blend like you'd expect from RollsRoyce. Now its just a different pallet to choose from. True?
If they actually have to pull it from the line and have it done in another section of the factory, or even off campus, mixing a gallon at a time, it starts to become justifiable. More so when you consider its only 2-3% of the entire cost of the car.
When I first heard of PTS Porsche colors I was under the impression that you gave them a color you wanted and they did it, I heard of it in relation to "baller" cars that wanted them made in their team's colors. A truly special and unique blend like you'd expect from RollsRoyce. Now its just a different pallet to choose from. True?
If they actually have to pull it from the line and have it done in another section of the factory, or even off campus, mixing a gallon at a time, it starts to become justifiable. More so when you consider its only 2-3% of the entire cost of the car.
05-17-2016, 04:21 PM
#17
05-17-2016, 09:27 PM
#19
Here are the statistics.
Just under 9,800 Porsche 911's were produced and sold in the United States in the 2015 model year. This includes all "base" 911's, GTS's, GT3's.
109 of those (only 1.11%) were PTS cars. And, yes, I have this information documented on actual Porsche letterhead so don't even bother trying to dispute these numbers.
So why do some PTS cars come with a higher price? Simple supply and demand
Just under 9,800 Porsche 911's were produced and sold in the United States in the 2015 model year. This includes all "base" 911's, GTS's, GT3's.
109 of those (only 1.11%) were PTS cars. And, yes, I have this information documented on actual Porsche letterhead so don't even bother trying to dispute these numbers.
So why do some PTS cars come with a higher price? Simple supply and demand
05-17-2016, 09:35 PM
#20
Banned
Here are the statistics.
Just under 9,800 Porsche 911's were produced and sold in the United States in the 2015 model year. This includes all "base" 911's, GTS's, GT3's.
109 of those (only 1.11%) were PTS cars. And, yes, I have this information documented on actual Porsche letterhead so don't even bother trying to dispute these numbers.
So why do some PTS cars come with a higher price? Simple supply and demand
Just under 9,800 Porsche 911's were produced and sold in the United States in the 2015 model year. This includes all "base" 911's, GTS's, GT3's.
109 of those (only 1.11%) were PTS cars. And, yes, I have this information documented on actual Porsche letterhead so don't even bother trying to dispute these numbers.
So why do some PTS cars come with a higher price? Simple supply and demand
05-17-2016, 10:31 PM
#22
By the way, Porsche would not breakdown the number of each specific models or each specific colors of these 109 PTS cars. Believe me......I TRIED HARD to get them to do. No luck on that part, though
05-18-2016, 12:01 AM
#23
05-18-2016, 03:30 AM
#24
Rennlist Member
For reference here are the 2014 numbers:
https://rennlist.com/forums/991/8938...l#post12615698
Parnelli, please share the 2016 numbers when you get them
Originally Posted by Parnelli
I just came across the Porsche letter that I received that states the number of paint to sample 911's that were produced . According to the letter there were approximately 11,200 Porsche 911's that were produced for north America distribution in the 2014 model year. 90 of those 11,200 cars were PTS. Of that 90 total, 35 were metallic paint and 55 were non-metallic paint . Final ideal year 2015 numbers should be out within weeks. According to my source the numbers shall be approximately the same in 2015 as they were in 2014. Hope this helps
Parnelli, please share the 2016 numbers when you get them
05-18-2016, 05:29 PM
#27
Per Pete Stout's column from a few months ago, most PTS colors are from an existing palette. I don't understand they don't just offer those colors as existing options, with an upcharge, and reserve PTS for new, truly unique requests. Mexico Blue is no longer PTS, since it has a Porsche name and code. It should be readily available to everybody who wants to buy it. My 2 cents.
05-18-2016, 05:41 PM
#28
Race Car
May God bless you, Nick, but that's not what I said. Never have I come across a reader who so often reads my words and so consistently takes away something completely different! 
I find this fascinating. If ever you're in SF, feel free to drop me a line. I think a beer or coffee is in order! Maybe I will learn something!
I find this fascinating. If ever you're in SF, feel free to drop me a line. I think a beer or coffee is in order! Maybe I will learn something!
If you are in the San Diego area let me know. Dinner is on me.
05-18-2016, 05:41 PM
#29
Rennlist Member
Per Pete Stout's column from a few months ago, most PTS colors are from an existing palette. I don't understand they don't just offer those colors as existing options, with an upcharge, and reserve PTS for new, truly unique requests. Mexico Blue is no longer PTS, since it has a Porsche name and code. It should be readily available to everybody who wants to buy it. My 2 cents.
05-18-2016, 05:59 PM
#30
Some people claim that cars in the same color are painted together but I don't have any actual documentation to support that. I have never heard that PTS cars are outsourced and I could not believe that they would do that. I have followed Porsche prices for many years and I have not seen any evidence of any actual increase in value/price of PTS cars. Yes, a 1997 993 TT which is a very rare car might bring more money in a PTS color but there weren't enough sold to actually establish a factual basis for that conclusion.
My original point was this: Porsche was charging roughly $3200 for GT Silver and have now dropped the price to roughly $700 and we have no reason to believe that their cost has dropped by 75%. They are now charging around $3000 for Lava Orange which is very similar to an orange which is free on a Mustang. GT Silver is a metallic and it has been claimed by many manufacturers that metallic paints are more expensive. (I did tour the BMW factory in Munich and asked why metallic paint was an extra cost option and my tour guide candidly answered that is cost more because they can get more for it and that it didn't have any significant additional cost to buy or apply.) Non PTS solid colors are no extra charge. So the conclusion is that they are charging more for Lava Orange because they can until they no longer can get a premium for it, like GT Silver, and they drop the extra cost. I should mention as an aside that my experience from attending Mannheim Highline auctions as well as conversations I have had with highline wholesalers that cars like Porsches, BMWs, Mercedes, etc., bring more money at auction in colors like black, silver, etc. as the market for other more unusual colors is much smaller.
My original point was this: Porsche was charging roughly $3200 for GT Silver and have now dropped the price to roughly $700 and we have no reason to believe that their cost has dropped by 75%. They are now charging around $3000 for Lava Orange which is very similar to an orange which is free on a Mustang. GT Silver is a metallic and it has been claimed by many manufacturers that metallic paints are more expensive. (I did tour the BMW factory in Munich and asked why metallic paint was an extra cost option and my tour guide candidly answered that is cost more because they can get more for it and that it didn't have any significant additional cost to buy or apply.) Non PTS solid colors are no extra charge. So the conclusion is that they are charging more for Lava Orange because they can until they no longer can get a premium for it, like GT Silver, and they drop the extra cost. I should mention as an aside that my experience from attending Mannheim Highline auctions as well as conversations I have had with highline wholesalers that cars like Porsches, BMWs, Mercedes, etc., bring more money at auction in colors like black, silver, etc. as the market for other more unusual colors is much smaller.