Power Plant for the 991.2 GTS?
#16
I used the term first (actually said, "options/configurations that are already in the parts hopper.) By that I meant that, to my knowledge there's not one single new Porsche part on the GTS (nor was there on 997 GTS) that didn't already exist; it just didn't exist in conjunction with all the other parts you get on a GTS.
To wit: The GTS Centerlock wheels existed, but only on the Turbo S and weren't available in black. Medium-widebody shell existed, but only on C4 and GT3 cars, not Carrera 2s. Powerkit existed for any Carrera S. Alcantera goodies existed; red instruments existed, but you couldn't get JUST the tach face in red.
Other than unique "GTS" lettering on various decals, badges and screens, I don't think there is a single part unique to the GTS. Hence the term, Parts Bin Special.
To wit: The GTS Centerlock wheels existed, but only on the Turbo S and weren't available in black. Medium-widebody shell existed, but only on C4 and GT3 cars, not Carrera 2s. Powerkit existed for any Carrera S. Alcantera goodies existed; red instruments existed, but you couldn't get JUST the tach face in red.
Other than unique "GTS" lettering on various decals, badges and screens, I don't think there is a single part unique to the GTS. Hence the term, Parts Bin Special.
#17
I used the term first (actually said, "options/configurations that are already in the parts hopper.) By that I meant that, to my knowledge there's not one single new Porsche part on the GTS (nor was there on 997 GTS) that didn't already exist; it just didn't exist in conjunction with all the other parts you get on a GTS.
To wit: The GTS Centerlock wheels existed, but only on the Turbo S and weren't available in black. Medium-widebody shell existed, but only on C4 and GT3 cars, not Carrera 2s. Powerkit existed for any Carrera S. Alcantera goodies existed; red instruments existed, but you couldn't get JUST the tach face in red.
Other than unique "GTS" lettering on various decals, badges and screens, I don't think there is a single part unique to the GTS. Hence the term, Parts Bin Special.
To wit: The GTS Centerlock wheels existed, but only on the Turbo S and weren't available in black. Medium-widebody shell existed, but only on C4 and GT3 cars, not Carrera 2s. Powerkit existed for any Carrera S. Alcantera goodies existed; red instruments existed, but you couldn't get JUST the tach face in red.
Other than unique "GTS" lettering on various decals, badges and screens, I don't think there is a single part unique to the GTS. Hence the term, Parts Bin Special.
#19
NA 3.8?
This rumour has been floating around the internet for a while but this is the first time I've seen it in a "reputable" print source (911 & Porsche World - April 2016).
I'm wondering if this is just wishful thinking. Would it only make sense if the engines and/or vehicle fall in with the rest of the GT line (not standard 911 assembly)? The GTS would then become much more distinctive than a 911 S with powerkit and centerlocks.
I'm wondering if this is just wishful thinking. Would it only make sense if the engines and/or vehicle fall in with the rest of the GT line (not standard 911 assembly)? The GTS would then become much more distinctive than a 911 S with powerkit and centerlocks.
#20
Original plans were to announce the GTS in October this year. But I heard from a source last week that the release of the next GTS has been delayed until mid 2017 because Porsche are still evaluating NA vs Turbo engine options both outputting 450hp. Two cars were spotted last week in Spain testing the NA vs Turbo options.
#21
You are correct and this is a great point. I didn't realize the power-kit option for the S came out before the GTS was offered. I'm looking forward to this option. The difference is that the S had a 3.8 over the base 3.4 and the GTS just added 30hp and beefed up components. If Porsche just adds turbo boost to the 3.0L, this will be disappointing . 450hp yes!. 3.0 Liter......not so much. More stress on a small displacement engine means lower longevity and reliability to me. I am going to put 200K miles + on my 911.
#22
Suncoast still lists it as available for the 997, which might be a good sign, right?
#23
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This rumour has been floating around the internet for a while but this is the first time I've seen it in a "reputable" print source (911 & Porsche World - April 2016).
I'm wondering if this is just wishful thinking. Would it only make sense if the engines and/or vehicle fall in with the rest of the GT line (not standard 911 assembly)? The GTS would then become much more distinctive than a 911 S with powerkit and centerlocks.
I'm wondering if this is just wishful thinking. Would it only make sense if the engines and/or vehicle fall in with the rest of the GT line (not standard 911 assembly)? The GTS would then become much more distinctive than a 911 S with powerkit and centerlocks.
I have heard that the GT4 and Spyder will also retain the flat-6 NA engines. Who would buy a Turbo 4 in one of these cars anyway? That means that there are economies of scale to keep the 991.2 GTS a NA. A 3.8L w/powerkit would be awesome even if they kept it at 430hp and it was slower than the 991.2S turbos. Who cares? I just want that flat-6 wail with PSE at 5000 rpm. A 991 GTS passed me on Interstate 95 today and before I could even look, I knew what it was by the sound. It's frickin awesome. It had a duck tail too!
Original plans were to announce the GTS in October this year. But I heard from a source last week that the release of the next GTS has been delayed until mid 2017 because Porsche are still evaluating NA vs Turbo engine options both outputting 450hp. Two cars were spotted last week in Spain testing the NA vs Turbo options.
#24
What about this schedule? Looks like Porsche is speeding things up?
Model Name Type Press Release Date Actual Press Release Date Days Different
991.2 Carrera Coupe 6-sep-15
991.2 Carrera S Coupe 6-sep-15
991.2 Carrera 4 Coupe 06-October-2015
991.2 Carrera 4S Coupe 06-October-2015
991.2 R Coupe 01-March-2016
991.2 GT3 Coupe 30-apr-16
991.2 Turbo Coupe 6-nov-16 1-dec-15 -341
991.2 GT3 RS Coupe 18-nov-16
991.2 Sports Classic Coupe 2-dec-16
991.2 Turbo S Coupe 10-May-2017 1-dec-15 -526
991.2 GT2 RS Coupe 11-aug-17
991.2 GTS Coupe 15-dec-17
991.2 Black Edition Coupe 26-apr-18
991.2 GT3 RS 4.2 Coupe 28-July-2018
991.2 GTS 4 Coupe 11-aug-18
99X.1 Carrera Coupe 22-nov-18
99X.1 Carrera S Coupe 22-nov-18
99X.1 Carrera 4 Coupe 22-nov-19
99X.1 Carrera 4S Coupe 22-nov-19
Model Name Type Press Release Date Actual Press Release Date Days Different
991.2 Carrera Coupe 6-sep-15
991.2 Carrera S Coupe 6-sep-15
991.2 Carrera 4 Coupe 06-October-2015
991.2 Carrera 4S Coupe 06-October-2015
991.2 R Coupe 01-March-2016
991.2 GT3 Coupe 30-apr-16
991.2 Turbo Coupe 6-nov-16 1-dec-15 -341
991.2 GT3 RS Coupe 18-nov-16
991.2 Sports Classic Coupe 2-dec-16
991.2 Turbo S Coupe 10-May-2017 1-dec-15 -526
991.2 GT2 RS Coupe 11-aug-17
991.2 GTS Coupe 15-dec-17
991.2 Black Edition Coupe 26-apr-18
991.2 GT3 RS 4.2 Coupe 28-July-2018
991.2 GTS 4 Coupe 11-aug-18
99X.1 Carrera Coupe 22-nov-18
99X.1 Carrera S Coupe 22-nov-18
99X.1 Carrera 4 Coupe 22-nov-19
99X.1 Carrera 4S Coupe 22-nov-19
#25
This thread is most likely just wishful thinking fueling conjecture with the hope of creating fact. Porsche made a monumental decision to downsize the Carrera engine and add turbos. The cost was significant and we're all aware of their reasons for doing so. They won't take steps backwards. Yes, the R came out as a reminder that the firm listens to the market. But that was a halo car wrapped in a token gesture.
The next GTS will most certainly be turbo. Porsche will not disrupt the market only to reverse course. It's like saying it'll go back to air cooled some day.
Any articles based on wishful thinking should be regarded as such.
The next GTS will most certainly be turbo. Porsche will not disrupt the market only to reverse course. It's like saying it'll go back to air cooled some day.
Any articles based on wishful thinking should be regarded as such.
#26
What about this schedule? Looks like Porsche is speeding things up?
Model Name Type Press Release Date Actual Press Release Date Days Different
991.2 Carrera Coupe 6-sep-15
991.2 Carrera S Coupe 6-sep-15
991.2 Carrera 4 Coupe 06-October-2015
991.2 Carrera 4S Coupe 06-October-2015
991.2 R Coupe 01-March-2016
991.2 GT3 Coupe 30-apr-16
991.2 Turbo Coupe 6-nov-16 1-dec-15 -341
991.2 GT3 RS Coupe 18-nov-16
991.2 Sports Classic Coupe 2-dec-16
991.2 Turbo S Coupe 10-May-2017 1-dec-15 -526
991.2 GT2 RS Coupe 11-aug-17
991.2 GTS Coupe 15-dec-17
991.2 Black Edition Coupe 26-apr-18
991.2 GT3 RS 4.2 Coupe 28-July-2018
991.2 GTS 4 Coupe 11-aug-18
99X.1 Carrera Coupe 22-nov-18
99X.1 Carrera S Coupe 22-nov-18
99X.1 Carrera 4 Coupe 22-nov-19
99X.1 Carrera 4S Coupe 22-nov-19
Model Name Type Press Release Date Actual Press Release Date Days Different
991.2 Carrera Coupe 6-sep-15
991.2 Carrera S Coupe 6-sep-15
991.2 Carrera 4 Coupe 06-October-2015
991.2 Carrera 4S Coupe 06-October-2015
991.2 R Coupe 01-March-2016
991.2 GT3 Coupe 30-apr-16
991.2 Turbo Coupe 6-nov-16 1-dec-15 -341
991.2 GT3 RS Coupe 18-nov-16
991.2 Sports Classic Coupe 2-dec-16
991.2 Turbo S Coupe 10-May-2017 1-dec-15 -526
991.2 GT2 RS Coupe 11-aug-17
991.2 GTS Coupe 15-dec-17
991.2 Black Edition Coupe 26-apr-18
991.2 GT3 RS 4.2 Coupe 28-July-2018
991.2 GTS 4 Coupe 11-aug-18
99X.1 Carrera Coupe 22-nov-18
99X.1 Carrera S Coupe 22-nov-18
99X.1 Carrera 4 Coupe 22-nov-19
99X.1 Carrera 4S Coupe 22-nov-19