RichAA

I do not have 'S' envy. But I absolutely have Sport Techno envy...

slingshot60

I honestly could care less about your 'post history'... Only one person making an *** of himself in this discussion--and it's not me. This is not a "mine is bigger than yours" discussion. Simply about getting a near-new or new Base 991 vs getting a CPO 2-3 yr old 991S. You have your opinion and I have mine. However--if you honestly think a Base 991 will pull harder on the top end than an S... Well, you're just wrong.

Archimedes

While I love the base car and it's more than enough power, this is just nonsense. While the 3.4 revs quick, the 3.8 stomps it everywhere, particularly in the midrange on the street. Both great cars, but the S is noticeably quicker in every situation. I'd still recommend the OP get that base car.

997s07

I'm sure you 'could care less.' I'm not the one throwing around false accusations. You are.

Chris C.

It's not, it would be close but only if the M4 could hook up the rear tires.

It does have more bells/whistles, if you care about lane departure warning systems and HUD

This makes no sense. Both cars depreciate, but a 3-year old Porsche should depreciate less all things being equal

997s07

No one argued otherwise about the 3.8 down low or in the middle. We're talking about the high range RPMs. Do you know the difference between lap times (Nürburgring, Hockenheimring, etc.) of the base and the 'S?' The 'S' doesn't stomp the base in anything, not even in 0-60 times. That's the real nonsense. Most who test drove both couldn't tell much difference. Particularly in the high end. I don't care what anyone drives, but I'm tired of this two tiered discussion where the base is criticised by people who don't know better (not you in particular). I can see all the 'S' boys loving the torquey 991.2 'S'. It feels like it can pull a train, so it must be better, right?

Archimedes

Total BS. I've driven them back to back multiple times. Anyone who can't tell the difference should find a new hobby. The S has more down low, more in the middle and more hp up top. It is very noticeable.

And the Ring time gap between these two cars is 24 seconds! That's a f$&king eternity on the Ring.

997s07

Good for you for feeling such a difference - let's see what the acceleration times are.

Base
0 - 10 mph 0.8 s
0 - 20 mph 1.5 s
0 - 30 mph 2.1 s
0 - 40 mph 2.7 s
0 - 50 mph 3.4 s
0 - 60 mph 4.1 s
0 - 70 mph 5.1 s
0 - 80 mph 6.3 s
0 - 90 mph 7.9 s
0 - 100 mph 9.8 s
http://accelerationtimes.com/models/...11-carrera-991

S
0 - 10 mph 0.7 s
0 - 20 mph 1.3 s
0 - 30 mph 1.8 s
0 - 40 mph 2.4 s
0 - 50 mph 3 s
0 - 60 mph 3.6 s
0 - 70 mph 4.5 s
0 - 80 mph 5.6 s
0 - 90 mph 6.9 s
0 - 100 mph 8.5 s
http://accelerationtimes.com/models/...-carrera-s-991

You know what's BS? I will leave the data up and I am sure you can 'feel' half second to a second differences.

Lap times? The average speed at the 'Ring' was about 100 mph for the 'S' and about 95 mph for the base. Guess you can feel 5 mph difference also. Simple calculation.

Those same links will lead you to other lap times that show how the 'S' 'stomps' the base.

R_Rated

I like to think people that drive Porsches are skilled enough to stay in their lane... I would like a HUD... too bad it'll never be a thing - ever in a 3.8

R_Rated

For people that like nice cars and don't look for them as a driving experience or ever push them - there is no difference in the performance. I agree that for a street car that there is little benefit... but people that drive cars can absolutely feel the difference in how a car pulls when the difference in .5 seconds to 60mph. The spread in your data only increases in the top range providing data that the S is in fact significantly stronger up top.

Data and facts awesome.

The Gforces would be additional data to support that you can quantify the feeling.

slingshot60

Thank you for proving my point with your numbers. If you really can't feel the difference back to back when driving a car that runs 0-100 mph in 8.5 seconds and one that runs it in 9.8--maybe you should be driving something else... Like others have mentioned, I too drove the two cars 30 minutes apart over the same test drive loop. Both were PDK equipped with Sport Chrono. IN MY OPINION (which I guess by your standards I'm not allowed to have or voice... ) the S felt noticeably stouter mid range and pulled harder on the top end. I'm NOT bashing the Base 991--it is a very nice car, handles well and runs good. Just not as good as an S model IN MY OPINION.

R_Rated

Basically the point that I made - there's probably factual data out there about Gforces in acceleration and cornering to support and quantify this factually.

Your opinion is no longer relevant because we have empirical, heuristic principals to support as fact.

Archimedes

Are you serious? You don't think a full half second difference in 0-60 times is noticeable? Do you actually drive these cars? It's absolutely noticeable. As is 1.3 seconds difference to 100mph, as is 24 full seconds on the Ring, which is a massive difference in Ring Terms. The base Carrera doesn't even break 8 minutes there.

Again, it's a great car in it's own right and nobody needs anything more than it, but its simply not comparable to the S in terms of power. It's a level below, as was/is intended by Porsche. They're different cars.

Dewinator

So much Porsche vs. Porsche S angst, I'd hate to see Porsche vs. Corvette.

n2cars

Proclaiming one car better than another is always a slippery slope. Consumer Report would beg to differ. A couple years ago they reported that the Base car was more reliable than the S. So I guess the Base is really the better car. The one thing the S is good at is extracting money from the buyer's wallet. Costs more to buy and loses more on depreciation. But hey, you can't put a price on that 1/2 second faster to 60 mph ;-) S owners should be careful about bashing Base cars. The new 991.2 Base is as fast if not faster than the 991.1 S. And it still costs less than the 991.1 S.
I'm off on a rant here but ..... 50 years from now.... will the 2016 C2 be the car to own at Barrett-Jackson? I believe I read in Panamera Magazine that 9 out of 10 911s that Porsche sells are S and Turbo models. Also, 9 out of 10 are PDK. Looks like the smart buy is the 2016 C2 with a manual.