Will Sports Exhaust (PSE) be available as Tequipment for the 991.2?
03-11-2016, 01:13 PM
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Will Sports Exhaust (PSE) be available as Tequipment for the 991.2?
Having driven the 991.2 I realize that Sports Exhaust (PSE) is a must have for me.
I am looking at buying a slightly used 991.2 car (demo). There are a handful available from Porsche dealers in Spain (where I live). Some of them have PSE, some don't.
In earlier generations the PSE has been available through Tequipment. I installed it on a 997C4S I used to own. But looking at the online catalogue I see that PSE is not available for the 991.2 (yet).
I understand it is very probable that PSE will be offered as Tequipment for the 991.2, but can I be sure? Should I buy a 991.2 with a spec I like, but without PSE, and bet that PSE will be available as a Tequipment upgrade later on?
Any news on this?
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I am looking at buying a slightly used 991.2 car (demo). There are a handful available from Porsche dealers in Spain (where I live). Some of them have PSE, some don't.
In earlier generations the PSE has been available through Tequipment. I installed it on a 997C4S I used to own. But looking at the online catalogue I see that PSE is not available for the 991.2 (yet).
I understand it is very probable that PSE will be offered as Tequipment for the 991.2, but can I be sure? Should I buy a 991.2 with a spec I like, but without PSE, and bet that PSE will be available as a Tequipment upgrade later on?
Any news on this?
Thanks in advance
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Will it require a different rear bumper, or rear bumper valance??
10-24-2016, 08:58 AM
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Do you really, really, really, really NEED a PSE on a 991.2 ......? On a 991.1: fair enough. But I am not convinced you should sacrifice your 'used spec' for an OEM PSE on a Gen 2. Why ? Well...this is going to be controversial.....
(1) Centrally-exiting exhausts from Porsche are a GT thing....certainly on 911s (if not Boxster/Caymans....but that's another story altogether :-))). And, frankly, they should remain a 'GT thing'. (2) GT twin exhausts are 40-50mm apart maximum: not 200 mm apart as per the Gen 2 PSE. (3) GT exhausts do not have a bit of crappy ribbed plastic to fill the space. (4) GT exhausts are round, not ovoid..as with the Gen 2 PSE. (5) To stress the width and stance, side exhausts (be they single or twin) maximise the look of a 911. (6) You can't get a better non-GT rear end than, say, a 997.2 Sport Classic and they had ONLY two exhausts....but one on either side....and most definitely NOT ovoid. Yes, yes, I know it's all subjective but we can question a dealer's mantra of "You've got to have it for re-sale...." :-)
Next: mechanical. I had the chance to pootle around Zuffenhausen area this summer in a Gen 2 4S PDK Cab with PSE. With the roof down and the PDK slurring the gears between 5-30 mph the car sounded puerile and embarrassing with 'farts & parps a-go-go'..... If you wish to swan around with a perma-tan as if you've just finished filming 'Geordie Shore' in Puerto Banus then the PSE is your kind of exhaust. Of course, YOU are a Porscheophile and are nothing of sort, so maybe it's useful to question that PSE on the Gen 2 in the first place ?
Even Porsche has spending budgets for their production cars. You compare their manifolds and mufflers/silencers with something like a Fabspeed and you can visibly see the difference. One does the job within a fixed cost criteria (even though the customer is spending more at OEM level) and the other is...well....more a work of art. Unsurprisingly it sounds better and, much more tellingly, more 'n-a-t-u-r-a-l' :-)
Should you wish to get your OPC to fit it later, then yes, the OEM PSE is now available.... and you'll be spending around Euro 1.5k more to retrofit it (vis a vis factory-fit). But I'd get the colour and spec you love first and then add the PSE (or something much nicer...) later on in ownership. You may even discover that the OEM non-PSE actually suits the new bi-turbo vibe better, particularly in 'S' form. You can always retro-fit a PSE but re-spraying a colour or fitting, say, a sunroof is something else altogether....
(1) Centrally-exiting exhausts from Porsche are a GT thing....certainly on 911s (if not Boxster/Caymans....but that's another story altogether :-))). And, frankly, they should remain a 'GT thing'. (2) GT twin exhausts are 40-50mm apart maximum: not 200 mm apart as per the Gen 2 PSE. (3) GT exhausts do not have a bit of crappy ribbed plastic to fill the space. (4) GT exhausts are round, not ovoid..as with the Gen 2 PSE. (5) To stress the width and stance, side exhausts (be they single or twin) maximise the look of a 911. (6) You can't get a better non-GT rear end than, say, a 997.2 Sport Classic and they had ONLY two exhausts....but one on either side....and most definitely NOT ovoid. Yes, yes, I know it's all subjective but we can question a dealer's mantra of "You've got to have it for re-sale...." :-)
Next: mechanical. I had the chance to pootle around Zuffenhausen area this summer in a Gen 2 4S PDK Cab with PSE. With the roof down and the PDK slurring the gears between 5-30 mph the car sounded puerile and embarrassing with 'farts & parps a-go-go'..... If you wish to swan around with a perma-tan as if you've just finished filming 'Geordie Shore' in Puerto Banus then the PSE is your kind of exhaust. Of course, YOU are a Porscheophile and are nothing of sort, so maybe it's useful to question that PSE on the Gen 2 in the first place ?
Even Porsche has spending budgets for their production cars. You compare their manifolds and mufflers/silencers with something like a Fabspeed and you can visibly see the difference. One does the job within a fixed cost criteria (even though the customer is spending more at OEM level) and the other is...well....more a work of art. Unsurprisingly it sounds better and, much more tellingly, more 'n-a-t-u-r-a-l' :-)
Should you wish to get your OPC to fit it later, then yes, the OEM PSE is now available.... and you'll be spending around Euro 1.5k more to retrofit it (vis a vis factory-fit). But I'd get the colour and spec you love first and then add the PSE (or something much nicer...) later on in ownership. You may even discover that the OEM non-PSE actually suits the new bi-turbo vibe better, particularly in 'S' form. You can always retro-fit a PSE but re-spraying a colour or fitting, say, a sunroof is something else altogether....
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Do you really, really, really, really NEED a PSE on a 991.2 ......? On a 991.1: fair enough. But I am not convinced you should sacrifice your 'used spec' for an OEM PSE on a Gen 2. Why ? Well...this is going to be controversial.....
(1) Centrally-exiting exhausts from Porsche are a GT thing....certainly on 911s (if not Boxster/Caymans....but that's another story altogether :-))). And, frankly, they should remain a 'GT thing'. (2) GT twin exhausts are 40-50mm apart maximum: not 200 mm apart as per the Gen 2 PSE. (3) GT exhausts do not have a bit of crappy ribbed plastic to fill the space. (4) GT exhausts are round, not ovoid..as with the Gen 2 PSE. (5) To stress the width and stance, side exhausts (be they single or twin) maximise the look of a 911. (6) You can't get a better non-GT rear end than, say, a 997.2 Sport Classic and they had ONLY two exhausts....but one on either side....and most definitely NOT ovoid. Yes, yes, I know it's all subjective but we can question a dealer's mantra of "You've got to have it for re-sale...." :-)
Next: mechanical. I had the chance to pootle around Zuffenhausen area this summer in a Gen 2 4S PDK Cab with PSE. With the roof down and the PDK slurring the gears between 5-30 mph the car sounded puerile and embarrassing with 'farts & parps a-go-go'..... If you wish to swan around with a perma-tan as if you've just finished filming 'Geordie Shore' in Puerto Banus then the PSE is your kind of exhaust. Of course, YOU are a Porscheophile and are nothing of sort, so maybe it's useful to question that PSE on the Gen 2 in the first place ?
Even Porsche has spending budgets for their production cars. You compare their manifolds and mufflers/silencers with something like a Fabspeed and you can visibly see the difference. One does the job within a fixed cost criteria (even though the customer is spending more at OEM level) and the other is...well....more a work of art. Unsurprisingly it sounds better and, much more tellingly, more 'n-a-t-u-r-a-l' :-)
Should you wish to get your OPC to fit it later, then yes, the OEM PSE is now available.... and you'll be spending around Euro 1.5k more to retrofit it (vis a vis factory-fit). But I'd get the colour and spec you love first and then add the PSE (or something much nicer...) later on in ownership. You may even discover that the OEM non-PSE actually suits the new bi-turbo vibe better, particularly in 'S' form. You can always retro-fit a PSE but re-spraying a colour or fitting, say, a sunroof is something else altogether....
(1) Centrally-exiting exhausts from Porsche are a GT thing....certainly on 911s (if not Boxster/Caymans....but that's another story altogether :-))). And, frankly, they should remain a 'GT thing'. (2) GT twin exhausts are 40-50mm apart maximum: not 200 mm apart as per the Gen 2 PSE. (3) GT exhausts do not have a bit of crappy ribbed plastic to fill the space. (4) GT exhausts are round, not ovoid..as with the Gen 2 PSE. (5) To stress the width and stance, side exhausts (be they single or twin) maximise the look of a 911. (6) You can't get a better non-GT rear end than, say, a 997.2 Sport Classic and they had ONLY two exhausts....but one on either side....and most definitely NOT ovoid. Yes, yes, I know it's all subjective but we can question a dealer's mantra of "You've got to have it for re-sale...." :-)
Next: mechanical. I had the chance to pootle around Zuffenhausen area this summer in a Gen 2 4S PDK Cab with PSE. With the roof down and the PDK slurring the gears between 5-30 mph the car sounded puerile and embarrassing with 'farts & parps a-go-go'..... If you wish to swan around with a perma-tan as if you've just finished filming 'Geordie Shore' in Puerto Banus then the PSE is your kind of exhaust. Of course, YOU are a Porscheophile and are nothing of sort, so maybe it's useful to question that PSE on the Gen 2 in the first place ?
Even Porsche has spending budgets for their production cars. You compare their manifolds and mufflers/silencers with something like a Fabspeed and you can visibly see the difference. One does the job within a fixed cost criteria (even though the customer is spending more at OEM level) and the other is...well....more a work of art. Unsurprisingly it sounds better and, much more tellingly, more 'n-a-t-u-r-a-l' :-)
Should you wish to get your OPC to fit it later, then yes, the OEM PSE is now available.... and you'll be spending around Euro 1.5k more to retrofit it (vis a vis factory-fit). But I'd get the colour and spec you love first and then add the PSE (or something much nicer...) later on in ownership. You may even discover that the OEM non-PSE actually suits the new bi-turbo vibe better, particularly in 'S' form. You can always retro-fit a PSE but re-spraying a colour or fitting, say, a sunroof is something else altogether....
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As mentioned, it's more likely than not that it will be offered.
Turbos mute the sound quite a lot and I'm still waiting for the thread where mufflers were removed and straight pipes welded in.
Turbos mute the sound quite a lot and I'm still waiting for the thread where mufflers were removed and straight pipes welded in.
10-24-2016, 10:24 AM
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....which of course begs the question as to why you need it from a mechanical point of view in the first place....ie. you buy something but then choose not to invoke it. Personally, I'd avoid the PSE on the Gen 2 from an acoustic point of view since it's now being flogged as a 'feature' by the marketing department.
There's no fundamental and overwhelming mechanical reason to have it (which is surely why we admire Porsche more than most other brands...and especially for the 911...) - without even mentioning the cosmetic issues which I've already rehearsed.
There's no fundamental and overwhelming mechanical reason to have it (which is surely why we admire Porsche more than most other brands...and especially for the 911...) - without even mentioning the cosmetic issues which I've already rehearsed.
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You invoke it when desired. And turn it off when needed in quiet zones.
There's also no fundamental and overwhelming mechanical reason to buy the whole brand when a Toyota will get you around much cheaper.
There's also no fundamental and overwhelming mechanical reason to buy the whole brand when a Toyota will get you around much cheaper.
10-24-2016, 10:57 AM
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Agreed re the Toyota but not sure where it came in here.....:-) I think my point re the 991.2....and only the Gen 2...is that the OEM PSE is not convincing, invoked or otherwise, be it on a mechanical or cosmetic level. I'd be more inclined to spend the extra money on an exhaust specialist like Fabspeed later on within the ownership process. But, granted, many 911 owners will have a 36-month view of their 'new' Gen 2 purchase and will stick to the PSE mantra regardless...
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....which of course begs the question as to why you need it from a mechanical point of view in the first place....ie. you buy something but then choose not to invoke it. Personally, I'd avoid the PSE on the Gen 2 from an acoustic point of view since it's now being flogged as a 'feature' by the marketing department.
There's no fundamental and overwhelming mechanical reason to have it (which is surely why we admire Porsche more than most other brands...and especially for the 911...) - without even mentioning the cosmetic issues which I've already rehearsed.
There's no fundamental and overwhelming mechanical reason to have it (which is surely why we admire Porsche more than most other brands...and especially for the 911...) - without even mentioning the cosmetic issues which I've already rehearsed.
Purely emotional.
10-28-2016, 03:26 PM
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The headers between the PSE and Non-PSE are exactly the same, however everything else is different. Different cats, different center mufflers, different tips. If the rear valance can be replaced without buying the whole rear bumper, to switch to a PSE setup would require a full exhaust system after the turbos and the center-exit rear valance.
We do have a full exhaust suite for the Non-PSE and PSE 991 models, so i'd be happy to work with anyone interested in pursuing some more sound and performance than the factory options. Here is a teaser for what we accomplished on the Non-PSE and PSE.
We do have a full exhaust suite for the Non-PSE and PSE 991 models, so i'd be happy to work with anyone interested in pursuing some more sound and performance than the factory options. Here is a teaser for what we accomplished on the Non-PSE and PSE.
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10-28-2016, 08:32 PM
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The headers between the PSE and Non-PSE are exactly the same, however everything else is different. Different cats, different center mufflers, different tips. If the rear valance can be replaced without buying the whole rear bumper, to switch to a PSE setup would require a full exhaust system after the turbos and the center-exit rear valance.
We do have a full exhaust suite for the Non-PSE and PSE 991 models, so i'd be happy to work with anyone interested in pursuing some more sound and performance than the factory options. Here is a teaser for what we accomplished on the Non-PSE and PSE.
We do have a full exhaust suite for the Non-PSE and PSE 991 models, so i'd be happy to work with anyone interested in pursuing some more sound and performance than the factory options. Here is a teaser for what we accomplished on the Non-PSE and PSE.
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Does the non-PSE 991.2 (white car) use the catbypass option ? I can't see many new owners....those with a conscience anyway (!!)....removing the cats and allowing what is effectively a 'straight-thru' exhaust....Or maybe I'm missing something here ? If the OEM cats are being by-passed in these videos it would be interesting to hear the sound using Fabspeed's own cats within a 'full Fabspeed set-up' for the 'base' car.
