Will Sports Exhaust (PSE) be available as Tequipment for the 991.2?
11-02-2016, 04:07 PM
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When do you take delivery? Did you still option for the PSE considering not being a fan?
LMAO omg that's precious 
An educated decision is the best decision, and we try to dyno and record every combination possible time permitting with the car. We have yet to see any increase in lag. Keep in mind that in some turbo applications so much additional power is made in the top of the powercurve compared to the gains in the low end/mid range that is creates the illusion of lag when in fact there was no loss in the bottom of the curve.
Either way, the 991.2 is an animal waiting to be unleashed and we cannot wait for access to the ECU as that's where the real power is hiding, especially in the low end/mid range
Also, you're in NC that's not too far off you should stop by the shop sometime! We will have Sport Headers/Sport Cats being installed on a Miami Blue S-PSE on the 15th if you'd like to experience it in person.
One thing to consider when shopping... Most aftermarket companies only have sounds clips and videos of their exhausts with full headers and in some cases, intakes. I went with IPE and while very cool, it's not as amazing as the videos they post since I kept the factory headers and cats given the risk of complications on a car like this; under warranty, with removing OEM. A system with turbos will be more sophisticated when looking at headers. Downpipes will be cool but also introduce more lag.
Either way, the 991.2 is an animal waiting to be unleashed and we cannot wait for access to the ECU as that's where the real power is hiding, especially in the low end/mid range
Also, you're in NC that's not too far off you should stop by the shop sometime! We will have Sport Headers/Sport Cats being installed on a Miami Blue S-PSE on the 15th if you'd like to experience it in person.
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11-02-2016, 04:24 PM
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An educated decision is the best decision, and we try to dyno and record every combination possible time permitting with the car. We have yet to see any increase in lag. Keep in mind that in some turbo applications so much additional power is made in the top of the powercurve compared to the gains in the low end/mid range that is creates the illusion of lag when in fact there was no loss in the bottom of the curve.
Either way, the 991.2 is an animal waiting to be unleashed and we cannot wait for access to the ECU as that's where the real power is hiding, especially in the low end/mid range
Also, you're in NC that's not too far off you should stop by the shop sometime! We will have Sport Headers/Sport Cats being installed on a Miami Blue S-PSE on the 15th if you'd like to experience it in person.
Either way, the 991.2 is an animal waiting to be unleashed and we cannot wait for access to the ECU as that's where the real power is hiding, especially in the low end/mid range
Also, you're in NC that's not too far off you should stop by the shop sometime! We will have Sport Headers/Sport Cats being installed on a Miami Blue S-PSE on the 15th if you'd like to experience it in person.
In terms of lag. It's a trade off. At some point there will be some 700+hp 991.2's running around. They will absolutely have increased lag. There are some 1,000hp e36's running around where I live that are beasts up top but that's what the big numbers do and they all have significant turbo lag. There also comes a point where people build cars to play in the Texas mile but can't drive those same cars on the street. These are extremes but just making a point
Playing that game with a turbo car never comes without trade offs. A tune and some mild bolt ons should be fun and minimize trade offs/lag but there is no way to not have some presence of lag on a modded turbo car. Addition of electric motors will be interesting to say the least. I stopped burning through money and started just buying cars that drove like what I was trying to build. Different strokes, etc.
IMHO - if you want big power get a mezger turbo and go to town.
11-02-2016, 04:31 PM
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Well, now you're talking. If only the Zuffenhausen boffins had produced something like this, I'd have been first in the queue...
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Parking the acoustic stuff for a moment, my problem with the Gen 2 PSE is with its location and shape. I'm not a fan of centrally-exiting exhausts at the best of times but recognise they can work in the right circumstances: eg. McLaren 675 LT, Ferrari 488 GTB, Porsche GT-3/RS...
But on the 'non-GT' cars in the Gen 2 range (....yes, we still await a Gen 2 GT model....which will be interesting...) they've changed the aesthetics of the PSE considerably, IMO.
The central dual pipes on a GT3 991.1, for example as reference, are approx 50 mm apart: on the Gen 2 they're getting on for 200 mm apart on the non-GT range.
Plus, on the Gen 1, the pipes are round (be they on the GT range or on the PSE quad-pipe set-up). However, on the Gen 2 they're slightly ovoid. This change is challenging me a tad...and I'm not yet convinced by it.
At least by going with the standard C2 exhaust (but splashing out on the Porsche OEM quad-tips) you've got a valance that's ready to take, say, an aftermarket quad-tip sports exhaust from Fabspeed and you save a chunk of change - as well as retaining the 'look' of the quad-pipe PSE set-up from the Gen 1...
Plus, you can live with the standard OEM exhaust for a while to see if it's such a killer that everyone suggests. I'm not sure it is: see below.
Note that a Brit publication (Total 911) have a video of a lap around Laguna Seca in a manual C2 with standard exhaust and US vet Hurley Haywood at the wheel ....Sounds fine to me !
https://www.total911.com/ride-along-...t-laguna-seca/
. Parking the acoustic stuff for a moment, my problem with the Gen 2 PSE is with its location and shape. I'm not a fan of centrally-exiting exhausts at the best of times but recognise they can work in the right circumstances: eg. McLaren 675 LT, Ferrari 488 GTB, Porsche GT-3/RS...
But on the 'non-GT' cars in the Gen 2 range (....yes, we still await a Gen 2 GT model....which will be interesting...) they've changed the aesthetics of the PSE considerably, IMO.
The central dual pipes on a GT3 991.1, for example as reference, are approx 50 mm apart: on the Gen 2 they're getting on for 200 mm apart on the non-GT range.
Plus, on the Gen 1, the pipes are round (be they on the GT range or on the PSE quad-pipe set-up). However, on the Gen 2 they're slightly ovoid. This change is challenging me a tad...and I'm not yet convinced by it.
At least by going with the standard C2 exhaust (but splashing out on the Porsche OEM quad-tips) you've got a valance that's ready to take, say, an aftermarket quad-tip sports exhaust from Fabspeed and you save a chunk of change - as well as retaining the 'look' of the quad-pipe PSE set-up from the Gen 1...
Plus, you can live with the standard OEM exhaust for a while to see if it's such a killer that everyone suggests. I'm not sure it is: see below.
Note that a Brit publication (Total 911) have a video of a lap around Laguna Seca in a manual C2 with standard exhaust and US vet Hurley Haywood at the wheel ....Sounds fine to me !
https://www.total911.com/ride-along-...t-laguna-seca/
