Techart vs H&R springs...
08-19-2018, 04:12 PM
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08-23-2018, 01:35 PM
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Anyone have pics of a 991.2 lowered with techart on stock 20" wheels?
08-23-2018, 01:51 PM
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08-23-2018, 02:49 PM
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Thank you!! It looks great! Are the HRE's a different offest than stock? spacers at all?
08-23-2018, 03:10 PM
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No spacers on HRE Forged wheels as those are tailor made to each specific vehicle. ( at least there shouldn't be any spacers)
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08-23-2018, 03:17 PM
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Thank you!!! I wish you guys were in NorCal!!!
08-23-2018, 09:50 PM
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09-13-2018, 12:08 AM
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Originally Posted by TAGMotorsports
Cman21 said it best below!Yup! Sounds about right!
My question is can anybody confirm which is going to truly give me more drop? H&R says the sport springs provide from stock a
1.20" front drop, approximately 30.5mm
1.00" rear drop, or 25.4mm
Again, my car is equipped with Sport PASM, meaning it's already 20mm lower than regular sport setup. So is H&R my best option for the most aggressive drop from current S-PASM....from what I can deduce, with H&R sport I will gain:
10.5mm in front from current S-PASM
5mm in back
And Techart says between 5-10mm total....so which one is a more "aggressive" drop? I see some of you in the thread saying H&R gets more drop, and others saying Techart is lower. While it seems everybody agrees that ride quality seems to even improve with Techart. With that said, my question again, which one will give me more of a drop.
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09-13-2018, 12:42 AM
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Without a care in the world as to how that was achieved. Not a hint or mention of spring rate or spring length, or geometry correction afterwards.
Generally speaking, if you just drop your car, and do nothing else, it will handle worse. When pushed hard a lot worse than stock. Your geometry is all over the shop.
I won't get into adjustable end links and correction. I just would like to mention spring rate. You can have two springs both 170mm in length. One is 50N/mm and the other is 80N/mm. The stiffer one will have a higher ride height.
It will handle a lot better than the soft springs that sag and lower the car. Low does not equal handling. Stiffer, lower with corrected geometry and decent tyres = better handling. If you say you just want the slammed look, I will hear the nails on the board. LOL. Base Carrera is a piddly 24/48 Really soft. GTS is 33/108 GT3 45/120N/mm.
09-13-2018, 08:57 PM
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Being a track guy, its like running your fingers down a chaulk board when I hear someone say that all they want is 'The most aggressive drop."
Without a care in the world as to how that was achieved. Not a hint or mention of spring rate or spring length, or geometry correction afterwards.
Generally speaking, if you just drop your car, and do nothing else, it will handle worse. When pushed hard a lot worse than stock. Your geometry is all over the shop.
I won't get into adjustable end links and correction. I just would like to mention spring rate. You can have two springs both 170mm in length. One is 50N/mm and the other is 80N/mm. The stiffer one will have a higher ride height.
It will handle a lot better than the soft springs that sag and lower the car. Low does not equal handling. Stiffer, lower with corrected geometry and decent tyres = better handling. If you say you just want the slammed look, I will hear the nails on the board. LOL. Base Carrera is a piddly 24/48 Really soft. GTS is 33/108 GT3 45/120N/mm.
Without a care in the world as to how that was achieved. Not a hint or mention of spring rate or spring length, or geometry correction afterwards.
Generally speaking, if you just drop your car, and do nothing else, it will handle worse. When pushed hard a lot worse than stock. Your geometry is all over the shop.
I won't get into adjustable end links and correction. I just would like to mention spring rate. You can have two springs both 170mm in length. One is 50N/mm and the other is 80N/mm. The stiffer one will have a higher ride height.
It will handle a lot better than the soft springs that sag and lower the car. Low does not equal handling. Stiffer, lower with corrected geometry and decent tyres = better handling. If you say you just want the slammed look, I will hear the nails on the board. LOL. Base Carrera is a piddly 24/48 Really soft. GTS is 33/108 GT3 45/120N/mm.
09-13-2018, 09:17 PM
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^ Used to agree with all of the above—until I drove a 997.1 Turbo with PASM and H&R springs.
Where lowering springs alone ruined every car I tried them on, PASM changed things by effectively measuring oscillations and altering its damping to suit. In the case of the 997.1 Turbo, which had a hot mess for a spring rate/damper combo from the factory IMO, the car was notably BETTER with H&Rs alone. Another car from the same shop (Champion) with the same springs with PASM dampers plus another $12-14k~ in GT3 suspension bits and other upgrades was one of the best-handling road 997s I've ever driven...and that's where it gets interesting. The shop shipped out a set of $10k (perhaps more) coil-overs set up by Manthey Racing and the car's handling went downhill in a big way. I have little doubt the setup might have been good for the Ring, but it was awful on CA back roads and in general. No question in my mind the car was more confidence inspiring and ultimately faster on the stock PASM dampers and H&R springs. Incredulous, the shop changed the whole car back to how it was to see if I really thought that, and the magic was back.
I'd driven cars with coil-overs that were fabulous, and coil-overs that are horrible. Same goes for lowering springs...comes down to matched dampers in both cases, and PASM seems to like lowering springs. I'm about to test that theory out on a base 991.2 Carrera with TechArt springs (maximum drop is not what I am after). I hear good things about TechArt springs from folks I trust, and their product on a 997.2 Carrera S really impressed me. We'll see...
Where lowering springs alone ruined every car I tried them on, PASM changed things by effectively measuring oscillations and altering its damping to suit. In the case of the 997.1 Turbo, which had a hot mess for a spring rate/damper combo from the factory IMO, the car was notably BETTER with H&Rs alone. Another car from the same shop (Champion) with the same springs with PASM dampers plus another $12-14k~ in GT3 suspension bits and other upgrades was one of the best-handling road 997s I've ever driven...and that's where it gets interesting. The shop shipped out a set of $10k (perhaps more) coil-overs set up by Manthey Racing and the car's handling went downhill in a big way. I have little doubt the setup might have been good for the Ring, but it was awful on CA back roads and in general. No question in my mind the car was more confidence inspiring and ultimately faster on the stock PASM dampers and H&R springs. Incredulous, the shop changed the whole car back to how it was to see if I really thought that, and the magic was back.
I'd driven cars with coil-overs that were fabulous, and coil-overs that are horrible. Same goes for lowering springs...comes down to matched dampers in both cases, and PASM seems to like lowering springs. I'm about to test that theory out on a base 991.2 Carrera with TechArt springs (maximum drop is not what I am after). I hear good things about TechArt springs from folks I trust, and their product on a 997.2 Carrera S really impressed me. We'll see...
09-13-2018, 09:34 PM
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^ Used to agree with all of the above—until I drove a 997.1 Turbo with PASM and H&R springs.
Where lowering springs alone ruined every car I tried them on, PASM changed things by effectively measuring oscillations and altering its damping to suit. In the case of the 997.1 Turbo, which had a hot mess for a spring rate/damper combo from the factory IMO, the car was notably BETTER with H&Rs alone. Another car from the same shop (Champion) with the same springs with PASM dampers plus another $12-14k~ in GT3 suspension bits and other upgrades was one of the best-handling road 997s I've ever driven...and that's where it gets interesting. The shop shipped out a set of $10k (perhaps more) coil-overs set up by Manthey Racing and the car's handling went downhill in a big way. I have little doubt the setup might have been good for the Ring, but it was awful on CA back roads and in general. No question in my mind the car was more confidence inspiring and ultimately faster on the stock PASM dampers and H&R springs. Incredulous, the shop changed the whole car back to how it was to see if I really thought that, and the magic was back.
I'd driven cars with coil-overs that were fabulous, and coil-overs that are horrible. Same goes for lowering springs...comes down to matched dampers in both cases, and PASM seems to like lowering springs. I'm about to test that theory out on a base 991.2 Carrera with TechArt springs (maximum drop is not what I am after). I hear good things about TechArt springs from folks I trust, and their product on a 997.2 Carrera S really impressed me. We'll see...
Where lowering springs alone ruined every car I tried them on, PASM changed things by effectively measuring oscillations and altering its damping to suit. In the case of the 997.1 Turbo, which had a hot mess for a spring rate/damper combo from the factory IMO, the car was notably BETTER with H&Rs alone. Another car from the same shop (Champion) with the same springs with PASM dampers plus another $12-14k~ in GT3 suspension bits and other upgrades was one of the best-handling road 997s I've ever driven...and that's where it gets interesting. The shop shipped out a set of $10k (perhaps more) coil-overs set up by Manthey Racing and the car's handling went downhill in a big way. I have little doubt the setup might have been good for the Ring, but it was awful on CA back roads and in general. No question in my mind the car was more confidence inspiring and ultimately faster on the stock PASM dampers and H&R springs. Incredulous, the shop changed the whole car back to how it was to see if I really thought that, and the magic was back.
I'd driven cars with coil-overs that were fabulous, and coil-overs that are horrible. Same goes for lowering springs...comes down to matched dampers in both cases, and PASM seems to like lowering springs. I'm about to test that theory out on a base 991.2 Carrera with TechArt springs (maximum drop is not what I am after). I hear good things about TechArt springs from folks I trust, and their product on a 997.2 Carrera S really impressed me. We'll see...