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Old 02-09-2016, 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Larry Cable
well said ... be interesting to see what happens to the facelift GT3 engine ... if anything

although I think that the Macan/Cayenne 6cylTT engine and the 9A2 in the base
and S 911s suggests that (larger turbos &) software is the way ahead to differentiate models engine performance.
The shift from hardware to software is going to be a fascinating case study. Porsche will rely more on unhackable software, a range of turbos from mild to wild and exotic setups to protect its product differentiation.

To stay relevant, established tuners will have to push the envelope even further. Quad turbos or a turbo/supercharger hybrid anyone?
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Originally Posted by fansonly
Why must they switch to the baby turbos in the first place then? If part of the range will have NA engines why can't all the non Turbo/Turbo S have NA engines?
It's because they need to reach an emissions target over the entire brand. So I'm guessing Porsche can meet the brand targets while still keeping the GTS and GT3 cars non-turbo.
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While they're at it can they please put the 6-speed MT back in. Now that the 911R is apparently getting it seems like most of the engineering would be done.
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Originally Posted by Larry Cable
well said ... be interesting to see what happens to the facelift GT3 engine ... if anything

although I think that the Macan/Cayenne 6cylTT engine and the 9A2 in the base
and S 911s suggests that (larger turbos &) software is the way ahead to differentiate models engine performance.
There are some very clever people at Porsche working at it for sure. Will certainly be interesting and sad going foward. Losing the na eventually is bound to happen. But I'm sure life will go on.
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Originally Posted by aggie57
While they're at it can they please put the 6-speed MT back in. Now that the 911R is apparently getting it seems like most of the engineering would be done.
991.2 GT3 will be NA/4.0L/500HP/manual as an option. RS PDK only. This from the cleaning lady.
The 991.2 GTS will be Turbo with a boost in power. This is just my speculation,nothing from the cleaning lady on the GTS.
But bear in mind that Porsche's GT department has been allowed to play by different rules compared to the rest of the 911 line. They also do not play a huge role in the company's carb ratings because of small production numbers. With that said,Turbo is unavoidable at some point,if not for regulations,but for extracting more power out of the flat 6.
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Originally Posted by neanicu
991.2 GT3 will be NA/4.0L/500HP/manual as an option. RS PDK only. This from the cleaning lady.
The 991.2 GTS will be Turbo with a boost in power. This is just my speculation,nothing from the cleaning lady on the GTS.
But bear in mind that Porsche's GT department has been allowed to play by different rules compared to the rest of the 911 line. They also do not play a huge role in the company's carb ratings because of small production numbers. With that said,Turbo is unavoidable at some point,if not for regulations,but for extracting more power out of the flat 6.
Which begs the question: does the GTS fall more under the auspices of the GT group (by virtue that two-thirds of its model designation are traced there) or is it more firmly entrenched within the Carrera/S team?
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Originally Posted by TorqueChap
Which begs the question: does the GTS fall more under the auspices of the GT group (by virtue that two-thirds of its model designation are traced there) or is it more firmly entrenched within the Carrera/S team?
The GTS has nothing to do with the GT department in Weissach. It is being built from start to finish on the regular 911 production line AFAIK. Of course,one could argue that the GT cars bodies are being built and assembled on the regular production line as well,although they are using bespoke parts and R&D from Weissach.
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Originally Posted by TorqueChap
Which begs the question: does the GTS fall more under the auspices of the GT group (by virtue that two-thirds of its model designation are traced there) or is it more firmly entrenched within the Carrera/S team?
The GTS is not a GT car. It does (like all Porsches) benefit from the trickle down effect though.
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Originally Posted by TorqueChap
Which begs the question: does the GTS fall more under the auspices of the GT group (by virtue that two-thirds of its model designation are traced there) or is it more firmly entrenched within the Carrera/S team?
The GTS is the 911 equivalent of the McDonal'ds Extra Value Meal.
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Originally Posted by ipse dixit
The GTS is the 911 equivalent of the McDonal'ds Extra Value Meal.


It's especially funny to see the word Porsche and the word Value in the same sentence.
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I agree with the others. While the GTS is a very potent car, it does not share a number of the more distinguishing features from Motorsport and GT cars, including different engine (e.g. no true dry sump lubrication), suspension, no Clubsport package (only ROW unfortunately), rear seats, reduced steering feel, no RWS, etc.
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when the cayenne GTS was in the making, all rumors were stating that it will have a V8 NA engine, came out to be the same V6 as the S with a bit more power, I think its going to be just the same scenario..
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if it were true, I wonder how the exterior would differ. I hope they get rid of those vents
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Originally Posted by neanicu
991.2 GT3 will be NA/4.0L/500HP/manual as an option. RS PDK only. This from the cleaning lady.
that's going to **** off a lot of 991.1 RS owners ...

Originally Posted by neanicu
The 991.2 GTS will be Turbo with a boost in power. This is just my speculation,nothing from the cleaning lady on the GTS.
But bear in mind that Porsche's GT department has been allowed to play by different rules compared to the rest of the 911 line. They also do not play a huge role in the company's carb ratings because of small production numbers. With that said,Turbo is unavoidable at some point,if not for regulations,but for extracting more power out of the flat 6.
I seriously doubt that PAG will go the route of Manthey and Sharkwerks and increase the RS engine capacity to 4.1 or 4.3L ... that appears to be the limits/state of the art for the F6 N.A ...
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Originally Posted by Larry Cable
that's going to **** off a lot of 991.1 RS owners ... I seriously doubt that PAG will go the route of Manthey and Sharkwerks and increase the RS engine capacity to 4.1 or 4.3L ... that appears to be the limits/state of the art for the F6 N.A ...
2007 997.1 GT3 RS had 415 HP and the 2010 997.2 GT3 had 435 HP. So why ****'em off?

On the second point,you need to re-read my post. I've meant PAG will eventually be forced to switch to Forced Induction in order to make more power out of the flat 6,if not for regulations.


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