Originally Posted by 997s07

How does adding a second automated clutch to a transmission while placing odd gears on one shaft, even gears on another, make the transmission a manual?

Originally Posted by Noah Fect

It doesn't. However, moving the shifter into the "M" position does.

Originally Posted by 997s07

I guess 'manually' shifting a Kia from 'L' to '2' is also manual function.

Originally Posted by Spyerx

^^^ BS, and automatic has he ability to shift by itself. A manual does not. The mechanism by which an automatic shifts has no merit on the definition. I'm not arguing that a DCT or PDK or similar is a much better and more efficient and faster design than a slush box. But if the car can shift on its own, it's an AUTOMATIC.

Id also argue a PDK is not an automated manual. That term away used to refer to the single clutch designs of the ferrari or bmw designs that were literally, an manual transmission controlled by solenoids. the PDK isn't that.

Originally Posted by fast1

Rather than getting into a technical discussion as to what constitutes a manual transmission, I agree that a DCT should not be classified as a manual to avoid any confusion. It would be much better if BMW dealers used three transmission categories: Automatic, MT, and DCT. Of course lots of people will have no idea what a DCT is but it will be a good conversation starter for the BMW SA.

Originally Posted by Noah Fect

Wait, wait, I've got it. Why compromise? How about a DCT with two clutch pedals?! By preselecting the next gear yourself, you get twice the driver involvement!

I'll bet I can get a prototype up and running by early April. Then it's off to the patent office!