Chris harris comments 991.2
12-22-2015, 05:05 PM
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in some ways, comparing the torquey , squeeze and GO 991.2 " baby turbo " motor in stealthy mid rpm ranges , to a normally aspirated high output motor like the 991.1 GTS is like the very different philosophies between the units powering the relatively low key super torquey Turbo S and the similarly priced snarling na GT3RS
Just look at the power curves of the GTS motor ( grey solid line ) vs the S motor ( grey dashed line ) , in the 991.1 series . Below 6500 rpm they are pretty much the same , but look what happens above 6500 rpm ( mostly from the GTS' unique 1+6 race car like intake that allows 1 long and torquier air path at lower rpms and 6 very short direct air paths into each indiv combustion chamber benefitting high rpm power vs the S having a traditonal compromised single long air path ) and you see why the GTS is allowed to " overrev " its motor to 7800 rpm before PDK shifts up vs the tach / limiter cut in/ programmed PDK up shift at " normal " 7500 rpm , in similar launch control mode , for the S motor ...the GTS is still way up there power wise to 7800 rpm, the S is spent by 7400 rpm and just making noise with no forward progress :
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12-22-2015, 08:11 PM
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12-22-2015, 08:15 PM
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12-22-2015, 08:42 PM
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Its the new 996: better in every way, except…. well, you know….
12-22-2015, 09:51 PM
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I mean, they're already doing away with the ducktail. Can RWD be far behind?
12-22-2015, 09:59 PM
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Maybe the 996 owners will finally have somebody they can kick around.
You know how for decades the G-series 2.7 911s with the magnesium head studs were the whipping boy for all the 911 world? Then the 964 came along and sort of took over that mantle as the 2.7 began to acquire some old-school patina that made them start to be desirable.
Then 964s got discovered and suddenly became "the last of the hand-crafted, old-school, air-cooled, lose-money-on-every-one-because-they're-handbuilt" 911s. So the 996 stood firmly at the bottom of the heap, surpassed for obvious reasons by it's 997 and 993 brethren on either side.
But now, maybe the 991.2 will take the heat off the 996 by becoming the first of the crappy turbos.
You know how for decades the G-series 2.7 911s with the magnesium head studs were the whipping boy for all the 911 world? Then the 964 came along and sort of took over that mantle as the 2.7 began to acquire some old-school patina that made them start to be desirable.
Then 964s got discovered and suddenly became "the last of the hand-crafted, old-school, air-cooled, lose-money-on-every-one-because-they're-handbuilt" 911s. So the 996 stood firmly at the bottom of the heap, surpassed for obvious reasons by it's 997 and 993 brethren on either side.
But now, maybe the 991.2 will take the heat off the 996 by becoming the first of the crappy turbos.
12-22-2015, 10:09 PM
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This is funny.
Rebecca Jackson (I like her cute British accent) here also seems to be a wee bit disappointed at 991.2, as she says it appears to have lost "a fraction of the magic":
12-22-2015, 10:33 PM
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I really liked her review. Overall I think I am going to really enjoy this new turbo car. For visceral and engaging I will jump on my KTM 1290 Superduke R to get that OMG shot out of a cannon feeling and engine wail. Probably a 911 Turbo S would give the same kind of 0-60 feeling as the 1290. This will be my first Porsche so I do not have years of driving 911s to be able to feel the evolution of the car. So for me the new 911 will be just fine, and if not, then after three years I will hand it back to Porsche.
12-22-2015, 10:58 PM
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One thing I question with all the turbo charging going on is, Why do manufacturers try to hide the turbo noises? Why do they try to make it sound like it's not a turbo?
When ever I watch a video of a tuner car or ride in one with lots of turbo noise, BOV whistle and intake noise, I'm never left wishing it was an NA engine. There's a different excitement that those cars produce which is up there with the sound of a screaming NA engine. You get this sense that there's a turbo cramming as much air as it can into the engine so it can shove you into the seat and take you very far from where you were moments ago.
I feel like the newer turbo cars are missing out on the excitement facter because they've tried to hide the turbo sounds rather than embracing them.
When ever I watch a video of a tuner car or ride in one with lots of turbo noise, BOV whistle and intake noise, I'm never left wishing it was an NA engine. There's a different excitement that those cars produce which is up there with the sound of a screaming NA engine. You get this sense that there's a turbo cramming as much air as it can into the engine so it can shove you into the seat and take you very far from where you were moments ago.
I feel like the newer turbo cars are missing out on the excitement facter because they've tried to hide the turbo sounds rather than embracing them.
12-22-2015, 11:41 PM
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If all that the reviewers can find wrong with this car is the sound, I would think that with changes to the exhaust and tweaks to the symposer, those complaints will ultimately go away.
In the past we heard that Porsche was done when it moved to water cooling engines or that it had lost its soul when it built an SUV. Of course, we all know that such predictions never happened.
I believe that change is the only constant. Some folks may be more reluctant to change and I respect that. But changes will keep coming whether we like them or not.
In the past we heard that Porsche was done when it moved to water cooling engines or that it had lost its soul when it built an SUV. Of course, we all know that such predictions never happened.
I believe that change is the only constant. Some folks may be more reluctant to change and I respect that. But changes will keep coming whether we like them or not.
12-22-2015, 11:48 PM
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Let's be honest here, the 9A1 never sounded all that great to begin with.
Maybe the new turbo setup sounds like crap, but that doesn't necessarily mean the 9A1 ever sounded like God getting kicked in the nuts.
Maybe the new turbo setup sounds like crap, but that doesn't necessarily mean the 9A1 ever sounded like God getting kicked in the nuts.