Hello all, after a rough winter and business downturn, I was forced to sell my GT3 which was a sad day indeed for me.

I am now looking for something to replace it, but without 150k price tag. I am looking to be between 90-125k for a replacement. I have considered buying a new 911s ( which comes out to near 125k the way I spec it) or a used Turbo. If I buy a Turbo, it will be 2010 - 2012 based on price.

I struggle with new vs used, we all know the pros and cons of each. My big concern is that I have decided I want PDK whichever way I go.

The PDK in my GT3 was an amazing ( although noisy) piece of engineering!!

Are they any pitfalls to the early PDK? I was under the impression that 2010 was the first year for it in a 911.

My mind is going everywhere on this decision, and I thought some input from this group would help me decide. I have been looking at a '10 turbo in the 90k range with 24k miles. The mileage seems fine to me but I am not sure if the trans will be an issue on the early pdk.

It appears that for 125, I can buy a Turbo S with lowish miles from year 2012 or maybe newer. Of course I could use the savings of the less expensive car, but it won't change my life either.

I realize this is not the turbo section, but that is not my only choice.

Any thoughts that could possibly offer me conviction would be great!!!

Thank you

Rich

 

I'm pretty sure it's going to snow again in NJ. What happens if the bizz turns south again? At least with the GT3 you can buy and sell for about the same prices. Not gunna happen with the 991 or 991 Turbo. Be careful.

 

Gently used Turbo S > new "base" 911, IMO.

 

Spend 80-90K and get a great 991S with under 10K miles.

https://rennlist.com/forums/991/8636...e-week-30.html

 

I too pondered the buy new vs used--you didn't mention the word leasing.... I'm guessing you'd pay cash? Good spot to be in, almost no wrong answer--future value is something to be considered I suppose but this isn't blue chip stuff we're discussing, it's a very expensive way to put a smile on your face..... Don't wring your hands too long. Pull the trigger & hit the gas.

Now, if you are not paying cash, as I am not, the question was lease new or loan on used. Monthly payment was within a few hundred. Went back and forth a few times and in the end the tie breaker was my wife: she didn't want someone else's used car, full of their smells, old skin cells, dog hair, and lord knows what else. We once test drove a year old used G550 that smelled like hay. WTF did a previous owner do (in Newport Beach) to make a year old $130k car smell like hay?!

Good enough for me, we ordered a 16 GTS.

 

+1

It'll be hard to get exactly what you want, but that's the trade off. Before my Club Coupe, I've always bought late model used 911s; 1 or 2 years old, one owner, clear carfax, low miles. And I've always had good experiences.

First year of the PDK was 2009 - first year of the 997.2 with DFI too.

 

PDK has been available for Porsche street cars (Boxster/Cayman) since 2005, I believe. I had a 2010 Boxster S with PDK that I drove for close to 5 years with no problems whatsoever before trading it in on my Targa.

 

50th anniversary cars are pretty nice and seem to hold value better than other 991 types - if you shop around you might be able to pick one up within your budget.

 

I think you'll find that was the torque-converter-based transmission, the Tiptronic.

Here's the Wikipedia blurb on the PDK for street use:

Porsche AG offers a series production[42] of two new longitudinally installed, ZF Friedrichshafen AG designed and built with Porsche[43][46] "7DT" wet-clutch versions[42] of its previously race-only[6][46] Porsche Doppelkupplungsgetriebe[46] (PDK) transmission.

The first variant, the 7DT-45,[42] is used on its 2009 997 Carrera and Carrera S models.[3][43][83][84] This version is also offered on the 2009 Cayman,[3][42] Boxster[3][42] It uses a ZF Sachs ND2015 clutch pack,[42] and has a torque handling capacity of 500 N·m (369 lbf·ft).[42] A higher torque version of the same transmission, the 7DT-70,[42] is also available for the 2010 911 Turbo.[42][85] This is rated at 780 N·m (575 lbf·ft),[42] and uses a different ZF Sachs clutch—the ND2216.[42]

The second PDK variant, the 7DT-75,[42] is available on the 2009 Panamera.[3][42][46][86] This is constructed fundamentally differently from the 7DT-45/7DT-70 versions; in that the internal shafts are mounted above the input shaft, so as to achieve a lower centre of gravity for the Panamera.[42] It also uses just one oil circuit,[42] whereas the 7DT-45/7DT-70 use two separate circuits;[42] with very different specifications of fluids needed.[42]

Both variants use seven forward speeds,[3][44][83] and Porsche claim the Doppelkupplung PDK transmission will replace the outgoing conventional Tiptronic automatic transmissions.[43][83] However, other reliable industry sources state that Porsche still intends to use conventional automatics; with the eight-speed ZF 8HP being cited.[42] Like all DCTs, the Porsche PDK transmission is fundamentally two separate manual transmissions in one.[3] With the 1st, 3rd, 5th, and 7th gears and reverse available on one shaft,[3] and 2nd, 4th, and 6th gears available on the other shaft.[3][87]

Porsche claims noteworthy improvements in CO2 emissions of around 15% when comparing DCT installations against its former automatic transmission,[42] of which half can be directly attributed to the DCT.[42] When compared directly with a manual transmission, 16% improvement can be directly attributed to the DCT.[42]

 

just remember that the PDK in the GT3 is a very different beast (programming wise, and I believe h/w too) than that found in other PDK
equipped cars.... so you'd better drive one before you buy.

I'd personally recommend looking for a GTS "on the lot"...

 

I believe there are benefits in TC autos for large SUVs ...

 

I second the motion, GTS on the lot.

 

lucky you didnt get my old lease 2013 X5 xDrive50... 3 years, 3+ dogs ... you get the picture?

 

Get a two year old whatever model. Three years of remaining warranty. Best bang for the buck

 

2 years old would only have a 2 year remaining warranty, right? 4 years total. Unless CPO'd.