991 gts 4 - break in - what they told me in zuffenhausen
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Want the best break in method? Drive it like you stole it...
I have been driving performance cars for years and everyone of my friends who have followed the break in to a T has had issue after issue down the line. Where as myself and friends who just drive it and have fun have not had the same issues. Just my .02
I have been driving performance cars for years and everyone of my friends who have followed the break in to a T has had issue after issue down the line. Where as myself and friends who just drive it and have fun have not had the same issues. Just my .02
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just FYI RSRNurburg (one of the local ring rental companies) ask renters if they
have used a video game to 'learn' the track, and they then require an instructor
to ride along with them initially.
Despite the sophistication of many of these games they do not accurately
model some of the key dynamics of the track, and therefore "teach" potentially
dangerous habits/approaches to driving it...
watching full lap videos are FAR superior in presenting an accurate and realistic line.
have used a video game to 'learn' the track, and they then require an instructor
to ride along with them initially.
Despite the sophistication of many of these games they do not accurately
model some of the key dynamics of the track, and therefore "teach" potentially
dangerous habits/approaches to driving it...
watching full lap videos are FAR superior in presenting an accurate and realistic line.
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just FYI RSRNurburg (one of the local ring rental companies) ask renters if they
have used a video game to 'learn' the track, and they then require an instructor
to ride along with them initially.
Despite the sophistication of many of these games they do not accurately
model some of the key dynamics of the track, and therefore "teach" potentially
dangerous habits/approaches to driving it...
watching full lap videos are FAR superior in presenting an accurate and realistic line.
have used a video game to 'learn' the track, and they then require an instructor
to ride along with them initially.
Despite the sophistication of many of these games they do not accurately
model some of the key dynamics of the track, and therefore "teach" potentially
dangerous habits/approaches to driving it...
watching full lap videos are FAR superior in presenting an accurate and realistic line.
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I'm taking the over on 7 pages. And putting my thumb on the scale, so to speak, by posting.
For break-in, I'm a fan of some WOT, but not exploring the top of the rev range in the first couple thousand miles. Or, rather, gradually increasing use of higher revs.
For video games, right, they're no substitute for learning a track. But they are awfully helpful in getting a general sense of which way the track goes and flow. But only a dumb-*** jumps in and tries to go 10/10ths on their first lap based on their vast experience gained from a video game. Unfortunately, there are dumb-asses.
For break-in, I'm a fan of some WOT, but not exploring the top of the rev range in the first couple thousand miles. Or, rather, gradually increasing use of higher revs.
For video games, right, they're no substitute for learning a track. But they are awfully helpful in getting a general sense of which way the track goes and flow. But only a dumb-*** jumps in and tries to go 10/10ths on their first lap based on their vast experience gained from a video game. Unfortunately, there are dumb-asses.
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I just want to know if were going left or right, its better than just studying tree lines.
Ordered GT6 maybe that helps, I need to "drive" not watch to learn.
Maybe after "driving" enough I can remember the video better.
I've done 6 laps.. Just enough to know how dangerous it is to think you recognize a corner LOL.
Its no different than learning 5 tracks in one go, kinda like Mancation but without the night rest in between the next set of corners..
Ordered GT6 maybe that helps, I need to "drive" not watch to learn.
Maybe after "driving" enough I can remember the video better.
I've done 6 laps.. Just enough to know how dangerous it is to think you recognize a corner LOL.
Its no different than learning 5 tracks in one go, kinda like Mancation but without the night rest in between the next set of corners..
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on your couch at home with the steering wheel clenched between your knees
chances are you are not as good as Stefan was...
The one time I tried to drive the ring (after 10+ years of actually driving it)
I crashed my virtual car on the 2nd corner!
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I just want to know if were going left or right, its better than just studying tree lines.
Ordered GT6 maybe that helps, I need to "drive" not watch to learn.
Maybe after "driving" enough I can remember the video better.
I've done 6 laps.. Just enough to know how dangerous it is to think you recognize a corner LOL.
Its no different than learning 5 tracks in one go, kinda like Mancation but without the night rest in between the next set of corners..
Ordered GT6 maybe that helps, I need to "drive" not watch to learn.
Maybe after "driving" enough I can remember the video better.
I've done 6 laps.. Just enough to know how dangerous it is to think you recognize a corner LOL.
Its no different than learning 5 tracks in one go, kinda like Mancation but without the night rest in between the next set of corners..
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Want the best break in method? Drive it like you stole it...
I have been driving performance cars for years and everyone of my friends who have followed the break in to a T has had issue after issue down the line. Where as myself and friends who just drive it and have fun have not had the same issues. Just my .02
I have been driving performance cars for years and everyone of my friends who have followed the break in to a T has had issue after issue down the line. Where as myself and friends who just drive it and have fun have not had the same issues. Just my .02
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Originally Posted by Larry Cable
I basically drove it from Zuffenhausen to the Nurburgring, then did a few laps, simply did not trash it until the engine was at temp etc...
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I'm a little late to the post but I think it's important to divide the advice here into two parts: a) breaking-in an ENGINE; and b) breaking-in a CAR
A) Engines:
I have built both motorcycle and car engines since my teens...and have built both NA and turbo auto engines...give them an hour of varied engine RPM below redline...then go all out... interesting bit of trivia: 'back in the day' Suzuki used to take their brand new motorcycles engines..right off the assembly line and run them at redline for xnumber of minutes to make sure they didn't blow up before sending the motorcycle anywhere.
B) Cars
I'm picking up my TTS ED end of next month...for the first 500 miles I am going to slowly start pushing the car. Humans and machines make mistakes...I don't yet know if all my parts were put on right or if there is some structural defect in the steel of the tie rod, ('insert other part here'), etc.. I want to give the car some time to tell me if anything major is wrong before I'm going 300kph.
Then there are the brakes....letting the pads mate with the rotors is all-important..then a proper bedding procedure to make sure the resins holding together the pad compound are 'cooked out' (this is called 'maturing') is essential if you want maximum brake performance.
Engine: An hour of varied RPM then it's yours
Chassis: Make sure it's put together right and nothing breaks then drive it hard
Brakes: Bed them and you're good to go
A) Engines:
I have built both motorcycle and car engines since my teens...and have built both NA and turbo auto engines...give them an hour of varied engine RPM below redline...then go all out... interesting bit of trivia: 'back in the day' Suzuki used to take their brand new motorcycles engines..right off the assembly line and run them at redline for xnumber of minutes to make sure they didn't blow up before sending the motorcycle anywhere.
B) Cars
I'm picking up my TTS ED end of next month...for the first 500 miles I am going to slowly start pushing the car. Humans and machines make mistakes...I don't yet know if all my parts were put on right or if there is some structural defect in the steel of the tie rod, ('insert other part here'), etc.. I want to give the car some time to tell me if anything major is wrong before I'm going 300kph.
Then there are the brakes....letting the pads mate with the rotors is all-important..then a proper bedding procedure to make sure the resins holding together the pad compound are 'cooked out' (this is called 'maturing') is essential if you want maximum brake performance.
Engine: An hour of varied RPM then it's yours
Chassis: Make sure it's put together right and nothing breaks then drive it hard
Brakes: Bed them and you're good to go