991.2 "undisguised"
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I hear the market is warming to the 964,..probable buyers may be those who were still in preschool back then !
Same goes for the millennial love of all things " mid-century " right now incl the cheap plastic " potato chip " chairs that was the sign of living on the wrong side of the tracks and the craptastic made to fall apart ranch or Palm Springs style houses to meet the post WW2 needs. Yecch then and yecch now !
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LMFAO Archimedes. Like a dog trying to tuck its tail between its legs. OMG. I have to agree with you. But that is so funny as heck!
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My last Turbo was a 996TT X50 (450hp/467tq), with headers and exhaust. A wicked, powerful beast that was a blast to drive. Immediately before buying it I had a beautiful Boxster S for a few years.
One day my wife said to me, "You know, I don't see you going out to drive just for fun with the Turbo like you did with previous 911s or your Boxster. Have you just not bonded with it?"
I thought about it and she was right. The power was addictive and amazing, and when I did go to the mountains and flog it it was a remarkably good sportscar on our amazing southeastern mountain roads. But in the end, I didn't enjoy driving it as much around town as I had previous NA Porsches. Every day I walk to the garage and choose a set of keys for what I want to drive that day. It includes a built Wrangler that's a lot of fun, and a 68 Cadillac convertible. I had gotten to where I was driving the Porsche about once a week, and rarely taking it to the mountains.
So I went into the dealer to buy a new 991TT, figuring the advances in the chassis and power delivery were the answer. In the process, I wound up testing a full-boat 991S with all the boxes checked including PDCC (no powerkit or Ceramics). That's when I realized, "Duh! It's the turbo-vs-NA thingy that's got you going ho-hum. Why not order a GTS, keep the Turbo a little just to make sure, and then sell Turbo if your instincts were right."
So I did. I never drove the Turbo again after getting the GTS. Sure, I miss the 150 ft-lb delta in torque occasionally. But honestly, I'm just enjoying working the 'box and the throttle so much more, and hearing those glorious sounds on acceleration or the burble/cough/sputter/blat on overrun after a downshift. Sold the Turbo last month and haven't looked back.
Yeah, 991TTs are different beasts than 996TTs, but it wasn't lack of power or even lag that spurred my decision, and the 991TT didn't solve the other problems.
Of course, YMMV and all that.
Cheers
One day my wife said to me, "You know, I don't see you going out to drive just for fun with the Turbo like you did with previous 911s or your Boxster. Have you just not bonded with it?"
I thought about it and she was right. The power was addictive and amazing, and when I did go to the mountains and flog it it was a remarkably good sportscar on our amazing southeastern mountain roads. But in the end, I didn't enjoy driving it as much around town as I had previous NA Porsches. Every day I walk to the garage and choose a set of keys for what I want to drive that day. It includes a built Wrangler that's a lot of fun, and a 68 Cadillac convertible. I had gotten to where I was driving the Porsche about once a week, and rarely taking it to the mountains.
So I went into the dealer to buy a new 991TT, figuring the advances in the chassis and power delivery were the answer. In the process, I wound up testing a full-boat 991S with all the boxes checked including PDCC (no powerkit or Ceramics). That's when I realized, "Duh! It's the turbo-vs-NA thingy that's got you going ho-hum. Why not order a GTS, keep the Turbo a little just to make sure, and then sell Turbo if your instincts were right."
So I did. I never drove the Turbo again after getting the GTS. Sure, I miss the 150 ft-lb delta in torque occasionally. But honestly, I'm just enjoying working the 'box and the throttle so much more, and hearing those glorious sounds on acceleration or the burble/cough/sputter/blat on overrun after a downshift. Sold the Turbo last month and haven't looked back.
Yeah, 991TTs are different beasts than 996TTs, but it wasn't lack of power or even lag that spurred my decision, and the 991TT didn't solve the other problems.
Of course, YMMV and all that.
Cheers
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Very insecure here ...
Wrong for the 1,000+ time ... Not insecure here
Sorry, missed the u's!
Burning Brakes
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NA cars feel different "slower" than turbos. Less torque but more hp in higher revs. I usually rev out the engine to just before the fuel cut out. In the GTS its at 8k. True story. GTR lost. If you want details pm me.
Burning Brakes
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I sure will P.M. you. If I am thinking what u are going to tell me is what I am thinking lol. I am stoked lol
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I am waiting to hear back. But as I told him, the GTR would kill it in the 1/4. I know on the other forum some guys were posting 10.9 to 11.3 second runs I am almost positive. With stock cars.
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The GTR is a second quicker than the GTS to 60 and almost a second quicker through the quarter mile. It's not even close.