solomonschris

I think 30,650 angels can dance on the head of a pin. What say you?

johnireland

This is a common experience with dual clutch/automated sequential gearboxes...aka paddle shifts...when many drivers find that it gets boring. Not saying it isn't faster on the track...but on the track is very different than on the street. I missed the physicality of driving a manual...the pleasure of actually driving the car rather than it driving it for me. Droping down a gear or two at a time and having to match the revs myself...being in total control of the revs and when the gears are changed and how fast I want the change to be. PDK is PDK...but sometimes the efficiency of high tech doesn't match the personal side of low tech.

Jerry991

Generally as the cars get older the difference in price between a heavily optioned car and one with basic needs narrows dramatically.

I am currently looking for a car for my 19 year old son, not a Porsche but he does want something sporty, and I want him to get a manual as I truly believe that many car thieves today cannot drive a manual.

Leica 993

Good decision, will also keep him off the phone a little more while behind the wheel.

BMWMB

On the longer term, i mean within 15 years and longer, the MT will have a higher resale value beacause of its rareness. Untill that time, there will be no big difference in resale value between MT and PDK. That's what i think.

tmcc

I hate to bump an old thread but this discussion continues to be really relevant

I'm looking at 06-09 cayman s and 01 - 04 911 turbo

The manual is simply less of a liability. Less "moving parts" and less risk. Same thing with navigation and tons of electronics. They will only hurt the long term desirability of the car

As evidence, I submit any AMG in existence more than a couple of a years old.

GSIRM3

Well, I don't think you are going to find a 06-09 Cayman S or a 01-04 911 Turbo with a PDK.

Jerry991

There is an issue with MT cars because of over revving. If a car has been over revved a few times Porsche will not let a dealer sell it as a CPO. So MT cars that are certified are more rare and possibly more valuable.

Jabs1542

My car is a CPO MT, this begs the question, how do we know that the over rev counter isn't being reset by the dealership using PIWIS?

GSIRM3

Not exactly true. It depends on the range of the overrevs. Range 1 and 2 are not a big deal and most cars will have overrevs in those ranges.

jimbo1111

Correct. Hitting the rev limiter isn't a big deal at all when excelirating but when a miss shift occurs and the motor over revs past the hard fuel cut limit it tends to float the valve springs and causes serious mechanical damage. That's probably the best reason for owning a pdk. Since the electronics won't allow for that situation to occur.
I've seen it happen many times when a miss shift results in motor failure. Not pretty and some motors survive with internal flaw. Still a manual fan thought. A ppi report will pull the record for over revs in the 3+ range which occur as a direct result of a miss shift.

911seeker

One would think in this century they would have found a way to avoid this...

ipse dixit

They did.

It's called the PDK.

fast1

He meant a non-boring way.

GSIRM3

Certainly, the money shift with a manual transmission is anything but boring.