DD GT3 RD

Street tires will typically squeal at the limit. That's why its typically recommended to learn on a street tires, lots of feedback like noise and lower grip levels so lower speeds. Typically the more grippy a tire the less audible feedback and tire has a smaller peak grip patch, will let go quicker as well.

DD GT3 RD

Harry's Lap Timer Uses your phone camera. Very easy to use

Team Plutonium

Yup. The reason cup tires are dangerous for a novice, no audible warning... grip, grip, grip, and then none. Been there and ate a huge piece of humble pie when I went into the kitty litter.

DD GT3 RD

Ha. Could of been worse. Bent rim...who knows. I see worse all the time. I say good luck! And it's a goat

lunarx

That vette looked real planted on track, but the videos were less entertaining without seeing all activity in the drivers cabin.

So what curb was it that took out your tire?
Was the curb broken and sharp edged?
Was it the backside of a curb, that had too much drop-off, from improper grading?
Curbing is not normally a problem, when a track is maintained properly.

DD GT3 RD

^ they actually repaved the track last year. It's very smooth but I guess I didn't realize the separation between candy stripes and track in one spot under braking and bump! Side wall cracked. Otherwise very smooth. Happened at turn bus stop

NoGaBiker

POIDH. You can PM me if you want.

Larry Cable

I'd be very surprised if that was the case, the MPSS has very sophisticated heat mgmt technology that is newer the PZero designs

speeddistrict

Your car is a beauty!!



Great driving Sam

chuck911

You're probably right. A typical PCA Driver Ed event is chock full of rules. They'll be all over you, making you ride with an instructor who will insist on teaching you things like driving the line and hitting your apexes with precision. They'll go all over your car making you remove anything loose and dangly that might interfere with your ability to safely control the car. They won't make you wear Nomex, but they won't let you on the track in tank top and shorts either. Joyriding girlfriends? Not on your life. They are such A-holes, they won't even care when you tell them she's Ukrainian!

But, if you do ever change your mind from being "not closed to criticism" to actively seeking to learn, then my specific input is to start with PCA Driver Skills, and autocross, and then progress to PCA Driver Ed, as those are your highest value options in most parts of the country.

chuck911

Pretty much. As Bob Bondurant says, "A squealing tire is a happy tire." The normal progression is from scrubbing where the tire is just beginning to work hard, to squealing which is maximum traction with the tire sliding a little, to howling when the tire is pushed well beyond its limit into skidding or sliding. Its easy to experience scrubbing in a 911, simply turn the wheel full lock and drive around, you don't have to go fast, a steering geometry feature called caster angle will cause one front wheel to scrub.

A nice even squeal is what you want. No howling. Not unless you got the chops to be hooning around like Chris Harris, anyways.

gbree

I like PCA events, but good job reinforcing his assumption about people who attend them...
That being said, you make it sound like PCA is some superior organization. There are plenty of groups that provide MUCH better track days (BMWCCA, NASA, Chin, etc.)

Grunty

Sometimes this board gets amazingly grumpy old mannish.

chuck911

Its all relative. In this case, compared to an event where they let novices joy ride around with their girlfriends with fuzzy dice hanging off the mirror, with no instruction so they wind up actually driving worse as the day goes along then yes, PCA DE is clearly superior. As for the others, what I know of BMWCCA, which consists of reading their course material and having worked directly with one of their lead instructors, they're the same program!

Indeed, once you set aside what are ultimately minor variations ALL well run driver education programs wind up being pretty much the same. They do after all have to teach the same basic skills. The only really big difference is between all these different educational driver development programs and "open track days" like Speed District which are pure accidents waiting to happen.

Case in point, the OP, who already trashed a wheel and tire. An accident just waiting to happen evidently doesn't have to wait for long at a Speed District event! Is PCA superior? I guess it all depends…. on things like, how important is it that you have fun…. learn something… and are able to drive your car home from the event?

DD GT3 RD

Not sure how Popping a tire means anything. Things happen on track all the time. It's how you handle them that matters. And you seem to make quite a few assumptions about disasters waiting to happen. Just because of a string I like to leave up (take it easy)!

People are allowed to go to events and have fun. Maybe you've had a different experience but you don't have to make others do what you want.

Speed district has a professional driver there and instructs. And as I've said my friend teaches for Porsche North America, another holds several Time Attack records so I'm not so worried as I've spend hours driving with them.


Open track days will allow passengers. My driving line is pretty on point there. But that track has many options. Not sure if you are familiar with the track Chuck?