Ordering a 911 GTS. Good idea for first timer?
03-29-2015, 03:27 PM
#46
Race Director
My advice:
Go car shopping on a bunch of lots and see them in person. That's what I do. No need to ask for permission or chat with the sales guys.
Decide what you like and find the best deal you can. Nothing less than 5% off sticker.
Good luck.
Go car shopping on a bunch of lots and see them in person. That's what I do. No need to ask for permission or chat with the sales guys.
Decide what you like and find the best deal you can. Nothing less than 5% off sticker.
Good luck.
03-29-2015, 03:29 PM
#47
Burning Brakes
Thread Starter
Yeah, that is what I will do.
I expect loyalty from those around me, and I always try to return it to those who earn it. I took up a lot of this guys time, and he gave me a test drive and to me that deserves at least some amount of loyalty.
But it only goes so far.
I expect loyalty from those around me, and I always try to return it to those who earn it. I took up a lot of this guys time, and he gave me a test drive and to me that deserves at least some amount of loyalty.
But it only goes so far.
03-29-2015, 03:33 PM
#48
Its not just the GT Silver, its the Espresso. Great together.
For a GTS though you have to stick with Alcantara, as that is part of the performance theme. Hey, I don't make the rules, I only report on them!
The one option you're considering that really belongs on the car is SPASM. GT Silver, SPASM, that's it, you're done.
Almost. Don't forget the Smoking Package.
For a GTS though you have to stick with Alcantara, as that is part of the performance theme. Hey, I don't make the rules, I only report on them!
The one option you're considering that really belongs on the car is SPASM. GT Silver, SPASM, that's it, you're done.
Almost. Don't forget the Smoking Package.
03-29-2015, 03:34 PM
#49
Race Director
When it comes to dealers, it's a different story. There are the top 5% of sales guys that are stand up guys. The rest are snakes and could care less about you other than a commission check today. Like a bad gold digger. Will drop you on a dime. Get the car you want at the best price. Simple.
03-29-2015, 03:36 PM
#50
Burning Brakes
Thread Starter
Its not just the GT Silver, its the Espresso. Great together.
For a GTS though you have to stick with Alcantara, as that is part of the performance theme. Hey, I don't make the rules, I only report on them!
The one option you're considering that really belongs on the car is SPASM. GT Silver, SPASM, that's it, you're done.
Almost. Don't forget the Smoking Package.
For a GTS though you have to stick with Alcantara, as that is part of the performance theme. Hey, I don't make the rules, I only report on them!
The one option you're considering that really belongs on the car is SPASM. GT Silver, SPASM, that's it, you're done.
Almost. Don't forget the Smoking Package.
Also, I did pick a steering wheel option which if I understand correctly changes it from alcantara to leather. I recall reading somewhere that an alcantara wheel will get ruined from using bare hands on it. I don't want to put gloves on every time I drive the car.
03-29-2015, 03:44 PM
#51
Had the PDCC on previous 991S. Passed on it for the GTS. Agree, S/PASM a must. Color, sorry, I know it's a matter of taste, but I just can't bring myself to pay $3K for paint, especially if budget is at all a concern. Not going to get it back on resale, that's for sure. I can see spending $750 for some of the other optional colors, but that's the limit. BTW, I recently saw a GTS Silver and Rhodium silver side by side at my dealership. Didn't know one from the other but asked the sales rep the color of the one that "popped" to my eyes. It was the Rhodium. Almost chose it for my order. Again, a matter of personal taste. The GTS comes standard with a lot of added options. If budget is at all a concern, a MT with S/PASM and an second tier color retails for about $116K. Should get at least 5% discount,so you are at somewhere around $110K before taxes. That's a lot of car for the buck.
03-29-2015, 03:51 PM
#52
Hmm, I did not get the smoking package.
Also, I did pick a steering wheel option which if I understand correctly changes it from alcantara to leather. I recall reading somewhere that an alcantara wheel will get ruined from using bare hands on it. I don't want to put gloves on every time I drive the car.
Also, I did pick a steering wheel option which if I understand correctly changes it from alcantara to leather. I recall reading somewhere that an alcantara wheel will get ruined from using bare hands on it. I don't want to put gloves on every time I drive the car.
03-29-2015, 03:52 PM
#53
Burning Brakes
Had the PDCC on previous 991S. Passed on it for the GTS. Agree, S/PASM a must. Color, sorry, I know it's a matter of taste, but I just can't bring myself to pay $3K for paint, especially if budget is at all a concern. Not going to get it back on resale, that's for sure. I can see spending $750 for some of the other optional colors, but that's the limit. BTW, I recently saw a GTS Silver and Rhodium silver side by side at my dealership. Didn't know one from the other but asked the sales rep the color of the one that "popped" to my eyes. It was the Rhodium. Almost chose it for my order. Again, a matter of personal taste. The GTS comes standard with a lot of added options. If budget is at all a concern, a MT with S/PASM and an second tier color retails for about $116K. Should get at least 5% discount,so you are at somewhere around $110K before taxes. That's a lot of car for the buck.
Last edited by fastdiablo; 03-29-2015 at 03:53 PM. Reason: edit
03-29-2015, 04:05 PM
#54
this is interesting. i have seen GT Silver and Rhodium side by side and see a HUGE difference that to me, changes the car completely. To my eye, Rhodium seems brassy and oxidized and dare I say a little cheap. GT looks like a richer, deeper color with much more grey in it. GT silver is a no brainer at 3k in my mind. ymmv
03-29-2015, 05:12 PM
#55
Burning Brakes
Thread Starter
Here is is waaaay stripped down, but frankly still a car like quite a lot.
Don't read too much into the paint change as that is going to be a personal choice made after looking at a bunch of cars in person. Something I may even do today.
PGN2DUI5
http://www.porsche-code.com/PGN2DUI5
Don't read too much into the paint change as that is going to be a personal choice made after looking at a bunch of cars in person. Something I may even do today.
PGN2DUI5
http://www.porsche-code.com/PGN2DUI5
03-29-2015, 05:13 PM
#56
Race Director
Here is is waaaay stripped down, but frankly still a car like quite a lot. Don't read too much into the paint change as that is going to be a personal choice made after looking at a bunch of cars in person. Something I may even do today. PGN2DUI5 http://www.porsche-code.com/PGN2DUI5
Build is sweet! No sunroof correct?
A deal for around 110K after discount.
Make sure it's a 2016 too!!
Check out Lava Orange
03-29-2015, 05:24 PM
#58
Here is is waaaay stripped down, but frankly still a car like quite a lot.
Don't read too much into the paint change as that is going to be a personal choice made after looking at a bunch of cars in person. Something I may even do today.
PGN2DUI5
http://www.porsche-code.com/PGN2DUI5
Don't read too much into the paint change as that is going to be a personal choice made after looking at a bunch of cars in person. Something I may even do today.
PGN2DUI5
http://www.porsche-code.com/PGN2DUI5
03-29-2015, 06:26 PM
#59
I just took delivery of a GT silver GTS, manual, SPASM, no sunroof, CL's, black leather, LED headlights. I had a 6-speed 997.2 S that I really loved. My brief impressions from the first 100 miles, both positives and negatives:
The Getawayer is absolutely correct, this is a very, very sweet car. The engine sound is intoxicating. The manual gearchange is perfect, the best 911 gearchange I have ever experienced, and I would say close to an S2000 - light, quick, and accurate. The clutch travel and feel are also perfect. I understand the smile on Guido's face when he describes it. It does not have a lot of mechanical feel, but IMO this is a far better gearchange than the 997.2 including the Porsche SSK. The flexibility, power/torque, and rev-happy nature of the motor is amazing. I can only imagine how it will improve as it breaks in. It is more comfortable than the 997.2 yet handles better, at least in normal mode. I haven't yet tried SPASM sport or pushed the car very hard. I believe it will be a better daily driver than the 997.2.
Three small things - in no way complaints (yet). First, the feedback from the electric steering is slightly less than the 997.2 power steering, maybe 90% of the 997.2, at least under the driving I have done so far. It is very, very good. Second, there is a slight resonance in the cabin under light throttle with PSE engaged between 2500-3000 rpm in 3rd/4th. It might be the sound symposer, I will experiment when I have some time. Finally, like all the 911s I've seen recently, it has Pirelli tires, which I am not fond of for many reasons. As soon as they wear out I will be replacing them with Michelins.
IMO if you want a modern, NA, manual 911 this is the model to get. It is about as close to perfect as I could imagine.
The Getawayer is absolutely correct, this is a very, very sweet car. The engine sound is intoxicating. The manual gearchange is perfect, the best 911 gearchange I have ever experienced, and I would say close to an S2000 - light, quick, and accurate. The clutch travel and feel are also perfect. I understand the smile on Guido's face when he describes it. It does not have a lot of mechanical feel, but IMO this is a far better gearchange than the 997.2 including the Porsche SSK. The flexibility, power/torque, and rev-happy nature of the motor is amazing. I can only imagine how it will improve as it breaks in. It is more comfortable than the 997.2 yet handles better, at least in normal mode. I haven't yet tried SPASM sport or pushed the car very hard. I believe it will be a better daily driver than the 997.2.
Three small things - in no way complaints (yet). First, the feedback from the electric steering is slightly less than the 997.2 power steering, maybe 90% of the 997.2, at least under the driving I have done so far. It is very, very good. Second, there is a slight resonance in the cabin under light throttle with PSE engaged between 2500-3000 rpm in 3rd/4th. It might be the sound symposer, I will experiment when I have some time. Finally, like all the 911s I've seen recently, it has Pirelli tires, which I am not fond of for many reasons. As soon as they wear out I will be replacing them with Michelins.
IMO if you want a modern, NA, manual 911 this is the model to get. It is about as close to perfect as I could imagine.
03-29-2015, 06:42 PM
#60
They should've put more work into the Symposer to eliminate the resonance and make it more linear or neutral sounding. A lot depends on how much you enjoy the extra volume, how much you care that its all the same resonance. Some guys can't even stand to use it once they notice the resonance. All of this could've been engineered out with different materials and design. Carbon fiber is a lot less resonant than vuvuzela horn plastic, and the right taper combined with dampening could tame the resonant frequency. Probably they left this for something to get right for when they want to make the all-turbo cars sound better!