Feedback on a GTS order?
#46
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I chose Premium ($320), (which comes with seat heating) then added seat cooling for $840. Those were all I wanted out of the package, so it cost me $1160. The Premium Plus is $2030. Here's how they stack up:
Both have:
PDLS Dynamic headlights
Auto Dim mirrors
Seat Heating
14 (or 18) way seats
Premium Plus adds:
Seat Ventilation
Enter & Drive
Interior lighting package.
The price delta is $1710 for those three options. Ventilation can be added standalone for $840, so the enter&drive plus light package costs $870.
I don't know what the lighting looks like, but I actually don't like enter and drive on my other car, so I'm happy to do without it.
Both have:
PDLS Dynamic headlights
Auto Dim mirrors
Seat Heating
14 (or 18) way seats
Premium Plus adds:
Seat Ventilation
Enter & Drive
Interior lighting package.
The price delta is $1710 for those three options. Ventilation can be added standalone for $840, so the enter&drive plus light package costs $870.
I don't know what the lighting looks like, but I actually don't like enter and drive on my other car, so I'm happy to do without it.
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Ok, that makes sense. I had done what you said - clicked the exclamation marks for each package - and I even took a screen capture of each so I could compare them side-by-side. It was the mention of Alcantara in the title of the second package that puzzled me. There's no mention of Alcantara in the description screen; do you think it's just a typo?
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Ok, that makes sense. I had done what you said - clicked the exclamation marks for each package - and I even took a screen capture of each so I could compare them side-by-side. It was the mention of Alcantara in the title of the second package that puzzled me. There's no mention of Alcantara in the description screen; do you think it's just a typo?
I would however suggest you go with the Package Plus either way... I quite like Entry and Drive, have had it on my last 3 cars and wouldn't go any other way. Plus the Light Design Package is very nice, frankly something the car should be equipped with standard but it is a Porsche after all...
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i.e.: walk up to door, pull handle with key in my pocket. Nothing. Pull handle again. Nothing. Pull handle third time. Door opens. Old way: click remote button, door unlocks when I'm 20 feet away, lights confirm unlocking. When I get to the car, pull door open.
Go to rear hatch. Pull handle with key in pocket. Sometimes door makes a little negative beep-beep sound, meaning "You're trying to open this without the key in your pocket." Push a little button that's above the hatch opening handle. Then pull handle again. Now hatch opens. Old way: push remote hatch button when 20 feet from truck. By the time I get there, hatch is open.
Sure, you can still push the buttons on the Enter & Drive key, but if you do that all the time, you might as well not have the feature.
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Lastly: I like inserting a key, turning to ACC position, listening to fuel pumps start whirring and electrical systems coming to life for a few seconds, then turning the key the rest of the way and feeling the flat-six turn over and then bark into life. I just like it. If I get the E&D I will either get lazy and skip that little starting ritual, or I'll continue to use it as a key in which case I might as well have not bought it.
Disclosure: Porsche's D&E might work better than my current one; but since it is a solution to a problem I don't have, I'd just as soon skip it.
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* Auto Climate Control. What a joke. I ran into the office for a few minutes today -- it's 39 degrees in Atlanta. I like to hear my exhaust so I put the windows down about four inches. The temp is set at 69. Suddenly it's freezing in the cabin; what does the fan do? Nothing; maybe goes up one speed. So I stab the up button and run the temp up to 76. Fans start huffing and fill the cabin with hot air. Ahhhh... nice.
Traffic light. Come to a stop. Does the temp sensor recognize that there's no longer 39 degree air blasting in through both windows, so there's no need to blow hot air at high speed? Nope. Continues blowing. So I stab the buttons, run the fan down. Light changes to green -- rinse and repeat. I spend every bit as much time messing with settings on Auto climate cars as I do on my Wrangler, where it's just an old school **** for temp (blue on the left, red on the right) and another **** for a 4-speed fan. And I can do that by feel, at night, without a glance at the dash board.
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To be clear the packages do not include the 14 way or 18 way seats... those are a standalone option that need to be selected first. Once you choose either of those two seat options the packages are available. If you stick with the base Sport Seats Plus the packages are not available at all.
Only thing I can figure is that I was building a GTS, and maybe certain things are included and/or required that aren't with an S or a Carrera.
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If you want to die prematurely of high blood pressure and stress related conditions, or want to be heavily sedated get a car with one of those systems!
911's are started by keys turned in the ignition on the left ... *and* you know where your key is ... in the ignition where its intended to be!
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The idea is solid, but (just like with auto climate control*) the execution often causes me more headache than the old way.
i.e.: walk up to door, pull handle with key in my pocket. Nothing. Pull handle again. Nothing. Pull handle third time. Door opens. Old way: click remote button, door unlocks when I'm 20 feet away, lights confirm unlocking. When I get to the car, pull door open.
Go to rear hatch. Pull handle with key in pocket. Sometimes door makes a little negative beep-beep sound, meaning "You're trying to open this without the key in your pocket." Push a little button that's above the hatch opening handle. Then pull handle again. Now hatch opens. Old way: push remote hatch button when 20 feet from truck. By the time I get there, hatch is open.
Sure, you can still push the buttons on the Enter & Drive key, but if you do that all the time, you might as well not have the feature.![Smilie](https://rennlist.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif)
Lastly: I like inserting a key, turning to ACC position, listening to fuel pumps start whirring and electrical systems coming to life for a few seconds, then turning the key the rest of the way and feeling the flat-six turn over and then bark into life. I just like it. If I get the E&D I will either get lazy and skip that little starting ritual, or I'll continue to use it as a key in which case I might as well have not bought it.
Disclosure: Porsche's D&E might work better than my current one; but since it is a solution to a problem I don't have, I'd just as soon skip it.![Wink](https://rennlist.com/forums/images/smilies/wink.gif)
* Auto Climate Control. What a joke. I ran into the office for a few minutes today -- it's 39 degrees in Atlanta. I like to hear my exhaust so I put the windows down about four inches. The temp is set at 69. Suddenly it's freezing in the cabin; what does the fan do? Nothing; maybe goes up one speed. So I stab the up button and run the temp up to 76. Fans start huffing and fill the cabin with hot air. Ahhhh... nice.
Traffic light. Come to a stop. Does the temp sensor recognize that there's no longer 39 degree air blasting in through both windows, so there's no need to blow hot air at high speed? Nope. Continues blowing. So I stab the buttons, run the fan down. Light changes to green -- rinse and repeat. I spend every bit as much time messing with settings on Auto climate cars as I do on my Wrangler, where it's just an old school **** for temp (blue on the left, red on the right) and another **** for a 4-speed fan. And I can do that by feel, at night, without a glance at the dash board.
i.e.: walk up to door, pull handle with key in my pocket. Nothing. Pull handle again. Nothing. Pull handle third time. Door opens. Old way: click remote button, door unlocks when I'm 20 feet away, lights confirm unlocking. When I get to the car, pull door open.
Go to rear hatch. Pull handle with key in pocket. Sometimes door makes a little negative beep-beep sound, meaning "You're trying to open this without the key in your pocket." Push a little button that's above the hatch opening handle. Then pull handle again. Now hatch opens. Old way: push remote hatch button when 20 feet from truck. By the time I get there, hatch is open.
Sure, you can still push the buttons on the Enter & Drive key, but if you do that all the time, you might as well not have the feature.
![Smilie](https://rennlist.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif)
Lastly: I like inserting a key, turning to ACC position, listening to fuel pumps start whirring and electrical systems coming to life for a few seconds, then turning the key the rest of the way and feeling the flat-six turn over and then bark into life. I just like it. If I get the E&D I will either get lazy and skip that little starting ritual, or I'll continue to use it as a key in which case I might as well have not bought it.
Disclosure: Porsche's D&E might work better than my current one; but since it is a solution to a problem I don't have, I'd just as soon skip it.
![Wink](https://rennlist.com/forums/images/smilies/wink.gif)
* Auto Climate Control. What a joke. I ran into the office for a few minutes today -- it's 39 degrees in Atlanta. I like to hear my exhaust so I put the windows down about four inches. The temp is set at 69. Suddenly it's freezing in the cabin; what does the fan do? Nothing; maybe goes up one speed. So I stab the up button and run the temp up to 76. Fans start huffing and fill the cabin with hot air. Ahhhh... nice.
Traffic light. Come to a stop. Does the temp sensor recognize that there's no longer 39 degree air blasting in through both windows, so there's no need to blow hot air at high speed? Nope. Continues blowing. So I stab the buttons, run the fan down. Light changes to green -- rinse and repeat. I spend every bit as much time messing with settings on Auto climate cars as I do on my Wrangler, where it's just an old school **** for temp (blue on the left, red on the right) and another **** for a 4-speed fan. And I can do that by feel, at night, without a glance at the dash board.
J
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So as a voice of dissent I'll say that I like the Entry & Drive system so far... unlocking the car by pulling on the door handle is a must, especially when it is freezing cold/snowing here. Locking is easy too and so far that part of the system is working well.
I also like that they have kept things somewhat analog to start the car... instead of a push button there is a key plug thing that you need to turn. Gives you the real old school feeling (ie. no start button) while still being a modern, user friendly system.
Don't however get me started on Entry & Drive being an option on a car that is well north of $100k...
I also like that they have kept things somewhat analog to start the car... instead of a push button there is a key plug thing that you need to turn. Gives you the real old school feeling (ie. no start button) while still being a modern, user friendly system.
Don't however get me started on Entry & Drive being an option on a car that is well north of $100k...
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Took a look - and a drive - in another car today and I think I might have changed my mind:
http://www.porsche-code.com/PG4XE2B9
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I'm also thinking about a PTS order: Brewster Green. Hopefully that won't push an order back too far.
http://www.porsche-code.com/PG4XE2B9
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I'm also thinking about a PTS order: Brewster Green. Hopefully that won't push an order back too far.
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Took a look - and a drive - in another car today and I think I might have changed my mind:
http://www.porsche-code.com/PG4XE2B9
![Smilie](https://rennlist.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif)
I'm also thinking about a PTS order: Brewster Green. Hopefully that won't push an order back too far.
http://www.porsche-code.com/PG4XE2B9
![Smilie](https://rennlist.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif)
I'm also thinking about a PTS order: Brewster Green. Hopefully that won't push an order back too far.
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#58
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Took a look - and a drive - in another car today and I think I might have changed my mind:
http://www.porsche-code.com/PG4XE2B9
![Smilie](https://rennlist.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif)
I'm also thinking about a PTS order: Brewster Green. Hopefully that won't push an order back too far.
http://www.porsche-code.com/PG4XE2B9
![Smilie](https://rennlist.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif)
I'm also thinking about a PTS order: Brewster Green. Hopefully that won't push an order back too far.
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Keep optioning out these great cars..... I'll buy them in a year or two CPO'ed
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Your configurations are getting close to some Carreras Brett has in stock....in addition to this GTS, I believe he has a mahogany Targa.
I did think about getting it but I'm really enjoying the MT of my 911, so I think I'd like to do that. I love the Targa - it's the modern version of all the 911s I admired as a kid.