Need input on buying decision...
09-11-2014, 02:01 PM
#16
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PDCC is one of my favorite options I have on my car. I love the way it virtually eliminates excess body roll. And PDCC technology really improves the quality of the ride over road imperfections compared to steel swaybars. It was a must-have in my book after all my extensive test drives and research. I also chose not to get SPASM. While I like the look, I disliked the firmer sprung ride, especially around town.
I track the car regularly and find the car amazing. But like most of us, spend the majority of my time on ever-eroding city streets. The balance of track-ready handling and compliant street demeanor make PASM/PDCC the perfect combo for me.
My suggestion... compare the different variations before you buy! You WILL feel the differences and one of them will likely appeal to your needs!
I track the car regularly and find the car amazing. But like most of us, spend the majority of my time on ever-eroding city streets. The balance of track-ready handling and compliant street demeanor make PASM/PDCC the perfect combo for me.
My suggestion... compare the different variations before you buy! You WILL feel the differences and one of them will likely appeal to your needs!
09-11-2014, 11:46 PM
#17
Another angle on this... I've found a car that checks many of my boxes. It doesn't have sport techno wheels, sport design or aero kit, or X51.. However, all of those options can be added after the fact.
I'm considering, as part of my offer to buy, to ask the dealer to throw in sport techno wheels, sport design kit, and maybe X51... at cost or cost plus small markup. This would get me very, very close to my ideal Porsche but at $30k less than ordering new. Car has 17,xxx miles but Porsche CPO to 4 years / 100k miles.. and I'm assuming it would still if Porsche installs the above parts.
Also, I wondering if they add the parts to the vehicle cost whether I can also apply the tax benefit of my trade (which is $20k+ more than the advertised price on the 991S).
Good idea?
I'm considering, as part of my offer to buy, to ask the dealer to throw in sport techno wheels, sport design kit, and maybe X51... at cost or cost plus small markup. This would get me very, very close to my ideal Porsche but at $30k less than ordering new. Car has 17,xxx miles but Porsche CPO to 4 years / 100k miles.. and I'm assuming it would still if Porsche installs the above parts.
Also, I wondering if they add the parts to the vehicle cost whether I can also apply the tax benefit of my trade (which is $20k+ more than the advertised price on the 991S).
Good idea?
09-12-2014, 12:26 AM
#18
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Another angle on this... I've found a car that checks many of my boxes. It doesn't have sport techno wheels, sport design or aero kit, or X51.. However, all of those options can be added after the fact.
I'm considering, as part of my offer to buy, to ask the dealer to throw in sport techno wheels, sport design kit, and maybe X51... at cost or cost plus small markup. This would get me very, very close to my ideal Porsche but at $30k less than ordering new. Car has 17,xxx miles but Porsche CPO to 4 years / 100k miles.. and I'm assuming it would still if Porsche installs the above parts.
Also, I wondering if they add the parts to the vehicle cost whether I can also apply the tax benefit of my trade (which is $20k+ more than the advertised price on the 991S).
Good idea?
I'm considering, as part of my offer to buy, to ask the dealer to throw in sport techno wheels, sport design kit, and maybe X51... at cost or cost plus small markup. This would get me very, very close to my ideal Porsche but at $30k less than ordering new. Car has 17,xxx miles but Porsche CPO to 4 years / 100k miles.. and I'm assuming it would still if Porsche installs the above parts.
Also, I wondering if they add the parts to the vehicle cost whether I can also apply the tax benefit of my trade (which is $20k+ more than the advertised price on the 991S).
Good idea?
09-12-2014, 01:11 AM
#19
'Just called my dealer regarding the upcoming production for my November delivery car. I have to trade my 2014 S Cab with 127 miles- listed for 131/paid 121- well they offered me a whopping 90k for the car on trade...'
https://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3/...in-on-gt3.html
Dealer always offer below Manheim wholesale (MMR auction reports) to play it safe. From a realistic perspective, total depreciation for a MY2014 991S is about $40K on the first year. The depreciation hit for MY2013 or MY2012 1/2 991's (at the present date) would be far greater that! So saving $30K from new is all relative...and might not be a deal at all, even on a 'new' leftover MY2014 with 0 miles. You need to get familiar with Manheim MMR so that you can evaluate correctly what is a 'fair' market price for whatever model you are considering buying used. And adding these options on a used 991 purchase ('sport techno wheels, sport design kit, and maybe X51') is simply monetary suicide! Kiss your money goodbye. If you don't care about money, then just buy new. At least get the satisfaction of the perfect specifications for you via a custom order. So caveat lector.
My dos centavos, for what it's worth.
Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel
09-12-2014, 11:15 AM
#20
NO! That is not enough of a discount to make it worth your while. Read this:
'Just called my dealer regarding the upcoming production for my November delivery car. I have to trade my 2014 S Cab with 127 miles- listed for 131/paid 121- well they offered me a whopping 90k for the car on trade...'
https://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3/...in-on-gt3.html
Dealer always offer below Manheim wholesale (MMR auction reports) to play it safe. From a realistic perspective, total depreciation for a MY2014 991S is about $40K on the first year. The depreciation hit for MY2013 or MY2012 1/2 991's (at the present date) would be far greater that! So saving $30K from new is all relative...and might not be a deal at all, even on a 'new' leftover MY2014 with 0 miles. You need to get familiar with Manheim MMR so that you can evaluate correctly what is a 'fair' market price for whatever model you are considering buying used. And adding these options on a used 991 purchase ('sport techno wheels, sport design kit, and maybe X51') is simply monetary suicide! Kiss your money goodbye. If you don't care about money, then just buy new. At least get the satisfaction of the perfect specifications for you via a custom order. So caveat lector.
My dos centavos, for what it's worth.
Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel
'Just called my dealer regarding the upcoming production for my November delivery car. I have to trade my 2014 S Cab with 127 miles- listed for 131/paid 121- well they offered me a whopping 90k for the car on trade...'
https://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3/...in-on-gt3.html
Dealer always offer below Manheim wholesale (MMR auction reports) to play it safe. From a realistic perspective, total depreciation for a MY2014 991S is about $40K on the first year. The depreciation hit for MY2013 or MY2012 1/2 991's (at the present date) would be far greater that! So saving $30K from new is all relative...and might not be a deal at all, even on a 'new' leftover MY2014 with 0 miles. You need to get familiar with Manheim MMR so that you can evaluate correctly what is a 'fair' market price for whatever model you are considering buying used. And adding these options on a used 991 purchase ('sport techno wheels, sport design kit, and maybe X51') is simply monetary suicide! Kiss your money goodbye. If you don't care about money, then just buy new. At least get the satisfaction of the perfect specifications for you via a custom order. So caveat lector.
My dos centavos, for what it's worth.
Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel
I agree that from an investment position I would be underwater if I added the sport design, techno wheels and X51. Even if I received those parts at cost from the dealer my cost basis would be around $100k for a car that would be worth less than that. However, a this is a total investment of around $100k versus $140k (MSRP) if I ordered new. Adding the options listed would give me the exact car I want with the exception of PDCC - which I've decided I can live without. And a couple options I would have a very hard time justifying if ordering new, namely the Burmester and two-tone leather interior.
09-12-2014, 11:46 AM
#21
Rennlist Member
Another angle on this... I've found a car that checks many of my boxes. It doesn't have sport techno wheels, sport design or aero kit, or X51.. However, all of those options can be added after the fact.
I'm considering, as part of my offer to buy, to ask the dealer to throw in sport techno wheels, sport design kit, and maybe X51... at cost or cost plus small markup. This would get me very, very close to my ideal Porsche but at $30k less than ordering new. Car has 17,xxx miles but Porsche CPO to 4 years / 100k miles.. and I'm assuming it would still if Porsche installs the above parts.
Also, I wondering if they add the parts to the vehicle cost whether I can also apply the tax benefit of my trade (which is $20k+ more than the advertised price on the 991S).
Good idea?
I'm considering, as part of my offer to buy, to ask the dealer to throw in sport techno wheels, sport design kit, and maybe X51... at cost or cost plus small markup. This would get me very, very close to my ideal Porsche but at $30k less than ordering new. Car has 17,xxx miles but Porsche CPO to 4 years / 100k miles.. and I'm assuming it would still if Porsche installs the above parts.
Also, I wondering if they add the parts to the vehicle cost whether I can also apply the tax benefit of my trade (which is $20k+ more than the advertised price on the 991S).
Good idea?
You *might* find one that would do a wheel swap, maybe even at cost, but adding Sport Design *and* X51 is a huge PITA for a dealer (and a buyer) requiring painting, and in the case of the X51 some major mechanical work to drop the engine and install the kit ...
I just dont think you will find a dealer hungry enough to do any of it, but good luck with it. better to find a car with the options you want.
09-12-2014, 12:43 PM
#22
I would be very surprised to find a dealer that would accept your conditions. You *might* find one that would do a wheel swap, maybe even at cost, but adding Sport Design *and* X51 is a huge PITA for a dealer (and a buyer) requiring painting, and in the case of the X51 some major mechanical work to drop the engine and install the kit ...
What do you estimate the expense (even at dealer cost) for adding 'sport techno wheels, sport design kit and X51 to any 991 that didn't come with it from factory? Then give us a realistic 'additional' factored cost for minimum dealer profit, paint, installation, labor, et al. Both of these answers should tell us (the patient & tolerant readers of your thread!) much about how 'well-thought-out' is your plan...and if you are completely off any hallucinatory medications at the present time!
Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel
.
09-12-2014, 12:57 PM
#23
Rennlist Member
Thanks for the input, you make some good points.
I agree that from an investment position I would be underwater if I added the sport design, techno wheels and X51. Even if I received those parts at cost from the dealer my cost basis would be around $100k for a car that would be worth less than that. However, a this is a total investment of around $100k versus $140k (MSRP) if I ordered new. Adding the options listed would give me the exact car I want with the exception of PDCC - which I've decided I can live without. And a couple options I would have a very hard time justifying if ordering new, namely the Burmester and two-tone leather interior.
I agree that from an investment position I would be underwater if I added the sport design, techno wheels and X51. Even if I received those parts at cost from the dealer my cost basis would be around $100k for a car that would be worth less than that. However, a this is a total investment of around $100k versus $140k (MSRP) if I ordered new. Adding the options listed would give me the exact car I want with the exception of PDCC - which I've decided I can live without. And a couple options I would have a very hard time justifying if ordering new, namely the Burmester and two-tone leather interior.
http://www.hennessyporsche.com/certi...48317/info.php
It would need X51 installed, but honestly - are you sure you need all of this? The Carrera S, as it stands, is frickin fast!!! You could pick up a car such as this and decide later if you want the X51.
09-12-2014, 12:59 PM
#24
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General Jack:
What do you estimate the expense (even at dealer cost) for adding 'sport techno wheels, sport design kit and X51 to any 991 that didn't come with it from factory? Then give us a realistic 'additional' factored cost for minimum dealer profit, paint, installation, labor, et al. Both of these answers should tell us (the patient & tolerant readers of your thread!) much about how 'well-thought-out' is your plan...and if you are completely off any hallucinatory medications at the present time!
Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel
.
What do you estimate the expense (even at dealer cost) for adding 'sport techno wheels, sport design kit and X51 to any 991 that didn't come with it from factory? Then give us a realistic 'additional' factored cost for minimum dealer profit, paint, installation, labor, et al. Both of these answers should tell us (the patient & tolerant readers of your thread!) much about how 'well-thought-out' is your plan...and if you are completely off any hallucinatory medications at the present time!
Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel
.
09-12-2014, 01:05 PM
#25
Rennlist Member
My old car is now certified and for sale for $99,950 which, to me, is an awesome deal. Maybe I am biased because I loved it so much. It has PSE even though the description doesn't say so (I added it after the fact).
http://www.hennessyporsche.com/certi...48317/info.php
It would need X51 installed, but honestly - are you sure you need all of this? The Carrera S, as it stands, is frickin fast!!! You could pick up a car such as this and decide later if you want the X51.
http://www.hennessyporsche.com/certi...48317/info.php
It would need X51 installed, but honestly - are you sure you need all of this? The Carrera S, as it stands, is frickin fast!!! You could pick up a car such as this and decide later if you want the X51.
09-12-2014, 01:13 PM
#26
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09-12-2014, 01:21 PM
#27
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09-12-2014, 01:23 PM
#28
I would be very surprised to find a dealer that would accept your conditions.
You *might* find one that would do a wheel swap, maybe even at cost, but adding Sport Design *and* X51 is a huge PITA for a dealer (and a buyer) requiring painting, and in the case of the X51 some major mechanical work to drop the engine and install the kit ...
I just dont think you will find a dealer hungry enough to do any of it, but good luck with it. better to find a car with the options you want.
You *might* find one that would do a wheel swap, maybe even at cost, but adding Sport Design *and* X51 is a huge PITA for a dealer (and a buyer) requiring painting, and in the case of the X51 some major mechanical work to drop the engine and install the kit ...
I just dont think you will find a dealer hungry enough to do any of it, but good luck with it. better to find a car with the options you want.
If the dealer doesn't bite then its not the right car...
09-12-2014, 01:26 PM
#29
Rennlist Member
I failed to clarify, I meant the parts at cost... I would expect to pay full labor on the sport design install and X51. And yes, that would add to my cost basis by several thousand. So many all in I'm looking at $105k.
If the dealer doesn't bite then its not the right car...
If the dealer doesn't bite then its not the right car...
09-12-2014, 01:30 PM
#30
General Jack:
What do you estimate the expense (even at dealer cost) for adding 'sport techno wheels, sport design kit and X51 to any 991 that didn't come with it from factory? Then give us a realistic 'additional' factored cost for minimum dealer profit, paint, installation, labor, et al. Both of these answers should tell us (the patient & tolerant readers of your thread!) much about how 'well-thought-out' is your plan...and if you are completely off any hallucinatory medications at the present time!
Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel
.
What do you estimate the expense (even at dealer cost) for adding 'sport techno wheels, sport design kit and X51 to any 991 that didn't come with it from factory? Then give us a realistic 'additional' factored cost for minimum dealer profit, paint, installation, labor, et al. Both of these answers should tell us (the patient & tolerant readers of your thread!) much about how 'well-thought-out' is your plan...and if you are completely off any hallucinatory medications at the present time!
Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel
.
MSRP on a build to match these specs would be just over $140k.
If my thread is bothering you feel free to ignore.