Any clue what color to sample this is?
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Makes perfect sense. You want to improve the power to weight ratio of your future cab to be more inline with a coupe. I was thinking X-51 in a targa as the targa is really a heffer. Then I realized I couldn't be without at least 500HP and got a TT instead.
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It is a mental health condition that's triggered by a terrifying event — either experiencing it or witnessing it. For me it happened when I visited my first Porsche dealer and I saw rows upon rows of bland 'Black', 'White' and...especially 'GT Silver' cars for sale! Oh, the humanity! How could these dealers order just these limited colors? In any case, Porsche has come up with a solution to this condition and offers it via their PTS 'holistic program' to us select few! Any more questions? ![evilgrin](https://rennlist.com/forums/graemlins/evilgrin.gif)
Saludos,
Eduardo
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Saludos,
Eduardo
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First described by a certain professor of Porscheology from central California who documented a substantial overlap with an already existing mental health condition we now call "PTSD".
In the last DSM-IVR, PTS was given the code 24931.
Treatment regimens to date have been futile, although it has been known to spontaneously remit (especially when co-existing disorder X51 has been thoroughly explored!).
In the last DSM-IVR, PTS was given the code 24931.
Treatment regimens to date have been futile, although it has been known to spontaneously remit (especially when co-existing disorder X51 has been thoroughly explored!).
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I call it die cast blue as I have not seen it on a car yet ... Seen darker and lighter but not quite that one. Do like this though ...
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Quotes from this thread and another one on PTS colors at the gt3 forum:
https://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3/...-colors-7.html
Colored me surprised...with a tinge of Signal Yellow hue on the margins! ![evilgrin](https://rennlist.com/forums/graemlins/evilgrin.gif)
This just in from 'Porsche Exclusive' here in the US:
Hi Eduardo,
I hope this email finds you well and my apologies for the delay in getting
you this list!
Per your request, please see attached for the most up to date PTS list that
we have from Germany. As far as Signal Orange goes, that color is not
currently on our pre-approved list. Should you have any other questions
please do not hesitate to ask.
Best Regards,
Matthew Henry
Personal Design Specialist
Porsche Cars North America, Inc.
980 Hammond Drive, Suite 1000
Atlanta, GA 30328
On another front, I heard earlier today that Herr Hogan has ordered for lunch a poached 'crow' with a side dish of oranges over thick Béchamel sauce! That should keep Bob with the energy needed to continue the 'excellent' job he is doing as General Manager at McKenna!![Roll Eyes (Sarcastic)](https://rennlist.com/forums/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif)
I will post shortly the new PTS list that Matthew Henry has so kindly provided me so that we can inform our forum on the latest PTS colors approved, rejected and/or under consideration at PAG!
Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel
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https://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3/...-colors-7.html
I have exchanged some interesting emails with them today. Eventually, it went up all the way to Bob Hogan, the General Manager. It was so puzzling that I even sent an email to Daniel McKenna, the dealer principal, to see if he could shed some light on the subject! The story is a bit confusing and I am trying to get to the bottom of it before I report it here in full. In general I think McKenna is a pretty good dealership and I want to be fair to them. So I hope they provide me more information tomorrow and I'll report back to this thread on what they are saying about this PTS color!
Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel
Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel
...The first 991 done in that PTS 'Signal Yellow' for the US might have just arrived at a dealership here in California. A Porsche dealer in the LA area has a 4S in a color that looks suspiciously like 'Signal Yellow' to me (last two photos thanks to Rennlister AdrianJara!). However, the General Manager is insisting in personal email exchanges I had with their dealership today that it's a completely different PTS color! I'll get to the bottom of this mystery pretty soon and report back.![typing](https://rennlist.com/forums/graemlins/yltype.gif)
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Eduardo,
I was in LA today on business and had time to drop by McKenna Porsche in Norwalk, CA to have a look at the car in question. Parked next to it was a Signal Yellow '73 and the 991 was definitely not the same color. This 991 which the dealer professes is Signal Orange definitely has a significant orange tone, not a mustard tone like Speed Yellow, but definite orange. Inside the showroom the color appears similar to the orange taxi cabs that run around LA.
I must say the Signal Yellow '73 was striking. Regardless of the name, the color on the 991 was too orange for my taste.
YMMV.
Ryan
I was in LA today on business and had time to drop by McKenna Porsche in Norwalk, CA to have a look at the car in question. Parked next to it was a Signal Yellow '73 and the 991 was definitely not the same color. This 991 which the dealer professes is Signal Orange definitely has a significant orange tone, not a mustard tone like Speed Yellow, but definite orange. Inside the showroom the color appears similar to the orange taxi cabs that run around LA.
I must say the Signal Yellow '73 was striking. Regardless of the name, the color on the 991 was too orange for my taste.
YMMV.
Ryan
Thanks Ryan. I like the term you used - 'professes' - re: 'Signal Orange'. I am trying to get to the bottom of this mystery. As of the last published PTS list I have dated 1/23/2014, 'Signal Orange' was not an approved PTS color! It was not even under 'feasibility check started' or 'feasibility check needed'. So we are led to believe by this dealer that since that recent 1/23/2014 date, this historic & beautiful early 911 color -- 'Signal Orange' -- has been tested & approved by Porsche and ordered, built and delivered to a dealer in California. Tall order...but stranger things have happened at Porsche!
Of course, the dealership in question could lay all doubts to rest by producing the exact color code for the paint color, which is listed in the paperwork of the vehicle received from PCNA and also marked clearly on a visible part of the vehicle. In the 997 era, the 'colour code' was on a sticker applied to the inside part of the gas lid! It might still be the case with the 991 model.
But the dealership yesterday refused to supply that information. Instead, if offered two different numbers '98' & '789' which they claimed was the color code of their car when in fact I proved to them they were general codes that pertained to metallic or non-metallic paint and the fact the exterior paint was 'paint to sample'. Neither revealed the true color code of the PTS color in question. So the sheer ignorance of the staff handling these questions, which included their general manager Bob Hogan, was simply staggering!
My initial impression when I first looked at the photos posted in the 991 forum was that the color was PTS 'Signal Yellow', which is 'available' & has color code 114. I must remind you that factory-original 'Signal Yellow' paint has a bit of 'orange' in it! It is a gorgeous, rich color and I was lucky to have owned a factory original example in that color on a 1973 911T Sunroof Coupe. The so-called 'Signal Yellow' 1973 911 that McKenna parked right next to its PTS 991 would be telling, or revealing, ONLY IF the 'Signal Yellow' paint on that early 911 was original factory paint from 1972/1973! When I owned my '73 'Signal Yellow' coupe, many of my friends used to refer to it as 'your Orange 911'! You would be surprised how many repainted/restored 911's done in 'Signal Yellow' are not truly representative of the correct, factory-original hue! 'Signal Yellow' is notorious for being hard, almost impossible, to duplicate...I learned that lesson the hard way.
I have inquiries with PCNA re: the availability of 'Signal Orange'. I truly hope I am too pessimistic and indeed 'Signal Orange' is approved & on the exterior of that 991 at McKenna! I simply love 'Signal Orange'. It's one of the most beautiful colors ever used on the early long hood 911's. So we will see. I'll keep you all posted.
Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel
Of course, the dealership in question could lay all doubts to rest by producing the exact color code for the paint color, which is listed in the paperwork of the vehicle received from PCNA and also marked clearly on a visible part of the vehicle. In the 997 era, the 'colour code' was on a sticker applied to the inside part of the gas lid! It might still be the case with the 991 model.
But the dealership yesterday refused to supply that information. Instead, if offered two different numbers '98' & '789' which they claimed was the color code of their car when in fact I proved to them they were general codes that pertained to metallic or non-metallic paint and the fact the exterior paint was 'paint to sample'. Neither revealed the true color code of the PTS color in question. So the sheer ignorance of the staff handling these questions, which included their general manager Bob Hogan, was simply staggering!
My initial impression when I first looked at the photos posted in the 991 forum was that the color was PTS 'Signal Yellow', which is 'available' & has color code 114. I must remind you that factory-original 'Signal Yellow' paint has a bit of 'orange' in it! It is a gorgeous, rich color and I was lucky to have owned a factory original example in that color on a 1973 911T Sunroof Coupe. The so-called 'Signal Yellow' 1973 911 that McKenna parked right next to its PTS 991 would be telling, or revealing, ONLY IF the 'Signal Yellow' paint on that early 911 was original factory paint from 1972/1973! When I owned my '73 'Signal Yellow' coupe, many of my friends used to refer to it as 'your Orange 911'! You would be surprised how many repainted/restored 911's done in 'Signal Yellow' are not truly representative of the correct, factory-original hue! 'Signal Yellow' is notorious for being hard, almost impossible, to duplicate...I learned that lesson the hard way.
I have inquiries with PCNA re: the availability of 'Signal Orange'. I truly hope I am too pessimistic and indeed 'Signal Orange' is approved & on the exterior of that 991 at McKenna! I simply love 'Signal Orange'. It's one of the most beautiful colors ever used on the early long hood 911's. So we will see. I'll keep you all posted.
Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel
Yet another pathetic dealer. I mean why not go to the trouble to just look at the paint code on the car and answer the question directly or just check the build sheet? Jerks And wrong of course on top of it all. They assured people it was Signal Orange out of pure ignorance.
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This just in from 'Porsche Exclusive' here in the US:
Hi Eduardo,
I hope this email finds you well and my apologies for the delay in getting
you this list!
Per your request, please see attached for the most up to date PTS list that
we have from Germany. As far as Signal Orange goes, that color is not
currently on our pre-approved list. Should you have any other questions
please do not hesitate to ask.
Best Regards,
Matthew Henry
Personal Design Specialist
Porsche Cars North America, Inc.
980 Hammond Drive, Suite 1000
Atlanta, GA 30328
On another front, I heard earlier today that Herr Hogan has ordered for lunch a poached 'crow' with a side dish of oranges over thick Béchamel sauce! That should keep Bob with the energy needed to continue the 'excellent' job he is doing as General Manager at McKenna!
![Roll Eyes (Sarcastic)](https://rennlist.com/forums/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif)
I will post shortly the new PTS list that Matthew Henry has so kindly provided me so that we can inform our forum on the latest PTS colors approved, rejected and/or under consideration at PAG!
Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel
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I just talked to one of the guys at McKenna. He looked at the paint code and it says Signal Orange.
Paint to Sample.
There you have it.
PTS baby.![Smilie](https://rennlist.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif)
and for Eduardo, I like crow on top.
Just add garlic salt. If you haven't actually tried crow you should. Tastes like chicken.
Paint to Sample.
There you have it.
PTS baby.
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and for Eduardo, I like crow on top.
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Awesome Bloomberg bit.
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Plus let this sink in:
"Hi Eduardo,
I hope this email finds you well and my apologies for the delay in getting
you this list!
Per your request, please see attached for the most up to date PTS list that
we have from Germany. As far as Signal Orange goes, that color is not
currently on our pre-approved list. Should you have any other questions
please do not hesitate to ask.
Best Regards,
Matthew Henry
Personal Design Specialist
Porsche Cars North America, Inc.
980 Hammond Drive, Suite 1000
Atlanta, GA 30328"
Don't tell me Bob Hogan forgot to eat his lunch today! He'll have to consume it sooner or later. Better for him & McKenna to cut their loss early, admit to a 'mistake' and move on! Their credibility is on the line.
Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel
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