$93k 2014 Cayman S - Am I crazy? (X-Post from the Cayman forum)
02-07-2014, 04:35 PM
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My dealer gives out two day test drives, if you are a serious buyer, they will let you take it for a full day.
I agree, you can get really low mileage CPO ones for mid 60's to low 70's all day long and since it's Dark Blue Metallic and not Aqua or Sapphire blue, it's much easier to find in the use market. You don't have to wait 3 months and you don't have to suffer the huge depreciation if you decide it isn't for you and you want a 911.
They are two different cars. The Cayman handles better but is slower. I actually like the Cayman's look to the bland 911's w/o the aerokit. The Cayman is a quasi-exotic looking car for those who isn't into cars. Nearly everyone besides 911 owners will think the Cayman is a better looking car. The Cayman's handling is very predictable and neutral, thanks to it's mid-engine design. It's easier to drive fast, gives you more confidence, feels a lot lighter and more direct. If you got into both cars back to back w/o knowing which one you were in. I would bet you'll pick the Cayman, it's that good.
All the 911 has is heritage, nobody dreams about owning a Cayman, that is the stupiest thing I've ever heard. That's b/c when you are were growing up, there isn't a Cayman to dream about. It's a brand new mid-engine car, how many mid-engine cars can you name under $100K? I think the Cayman is a great car just not close to $100K good when it's only 325hp, even at 400hp, it can't demand a $100K price tag, it needs to be closer to 450hp imo. All the options are useless like full leather, deviated stitching, navigation, climate control that adds up to the 100K figure, all standard options on a $25K Ford focus.
There's a 54 mile(!!!) 2014 Cayman S in the vehicle marketplace. CPO'd for $67,400. I totally get the ordering EXACTLY what you want.......but is it worth $26K more? In two years time, the two cars will be worth similar dollars.
I don't own either but the new Cayman is extremely tempting. Just have to be careful with the option ticking....it can get out of hand very quickly. 991s are awesome cars too but again, prices get serious very fast.
I don't own either but the new Cayman is extremely tempting. Just have to be careful with the option ticking....it can get out of hand very quickly. 991s are awesome cars too but again, prices get serious very fast.
They are two different cars. The Cayman handles better but is slower. I actually like the Cayman's look to the bland 911's w/o the aerokit. The Cayman is a quasi-exotic looking car for those who isn't into cars. Nearly everyone besides 911 owners will think the Cayman is a better looking car. The Cayman's handling is very predictable and neutral, thanks to it's mid-engine design. It's easier to drive fast, gives you more confidence, feels a lot lighter and more direct. If you got into both cars back to back w/o knowing which one you were in. I would bet you'll pick the Cayman, it's that good.
All the 911 has is heritage, nobody dreams about owning a Cayman, that is the stupiest thing I've ever heard. That's b/c when you are were growing up, there isn't a Cayman to dream about. It's a brand new mid-engine car, how many mid-engine cars can you name under $100K? I think the Cayman is a great car just not close to $100K good when it's only 325hp, even at 400hp, it can't demand a $100K price tag, it needs to be closer to 450hp imo. All the options are useless like full leather, deviated stitching, navigation, climate control that adds up to the 100K figure, all standard options on a $25K Ford focus.
02-07-2014, 04:40 PM
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I came from a 2006 Cayman S and fully expected to buy a new Cayman S. I, too, spec'd it pretty high. But one day I test drove a 991S and that was that! It only took me a dozen more 991 test drives to figure out what options I "needed".
02-07-2014, 05:10 PM
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Get the 991. The styling is truly timeless, its heritage is timeless, and you will never, ever regret buying it. Period. You can't say that with the Cayman. And speaking from personal experience, when I test drove the Boxster S and the 991S Cab back-to-back, there's simply no contest whatsoever. The Boxster S was a brilliant car, no doubt, but felt more like an appliance than the 991S. It was almost too composed, too civilized, no rough edges or quirks, and noticeably slower. The 991S had a great deal more personality and more identity, imho. It just feels special. And while my comparison isn't apples-to-apples to yours, it's essentially the same. And I've owned 1 Boxster S and 3 Carreras now. If this is the last and final Porsche you plan to buy, and you can afford it, why would you honestly buy anything other than the 911? It's probably the most iconic sports car in the world. Go get one!
02-07-2014, 11:33 PM
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You say this car is forever. Get a reasonably equipped C2S and you will never look back. The 981 is a great car but after the novelty wears off many buyers have regretted not buying the big dog.
PS Keep in mind that you are on the 991 forum and we all have an obvious bias.
PS Keep in mind that you are on the 991 forum and we all have an obvious bias.
For me to decide on the 4S was more that it had the same options I had as must haves. I love the natural leather and specifically the espresso/cognac and the exterior color. The dealer just happened to have a 4S instead of an S with that configuration. If it would have been a S I also would have bought that. I think the 4 is more stable out of corners if you are really getting on it so easier for my wife to manage.
I decided to skip the base as I knew this would be my only time I would do this (I always buy used cars) so I should get exactly what I wanted. I really don't think there is that much difference in the base and S in most driving but it was more that I just thought I would regret not getting the better engine.
I would look at the 911 and the options you can get on a special order. There are tons of stitching, leather and exterior options. This forum has some great explanations of special things you can do. Take your time and decide on what you want as if you buy the wrong car you will not want to keep it and cost more than if you bought what you wanted in the first place.
If I were doing it again I would probably trade the 4S for a base and put more leather and deviated stitching in the car and really look at the special options to personalize the car. I know I would run up the cost so would have to settle for the base car. But what a great settle it would be.
I decided to skip the base as I knew this would be my only time I would do this (I always buy used cars) so I should get exactly what I wanted. I really don't think there is that much difference in the base and S in most driving but it was more that I just thought I would regret not getting the better engine.
I would look at the 911 and the options you can get on a special order. There are tons of stitching, leather and exterior options. This forum has some great explanations of special things you can do. Take your time and decide on what you want as if you buy the wrong car you will not want to keep it and cost more than if you bought what you wanted in the first place.
If I were doing it again I would probably trade the 4S for a base and put more leather and deviated stitching in the car and really look at the special options to personalize the car. I know I would run up the cost so would have to settle for the base car. But what a great settle it would be.
Not much difference in size. Both are largish sports cars, supple and comfortable bordering on luxurious when cruising, with more room for stuff than you expect.
They go and stop and handle, each with their own special feel. Cayman S and 991 base are close in performance. The 991 S is a larger step away from the Cayman- in ways that Cayman owners and 911 owners each appreciate.
You won't go wrong either way. All you can miss is a 991 S
PS The 981 Boxter S is a whole other story
They go and stop and handle, each with their own special feel. Cayman S and 991 base are close in performance. The 991 S is a larger step away from the Cayman- in ways that Cayman owners and 911 owners each appreciate.
You won't go wrong either way. All you can miss is a 991 S
PS The 981 Boxter S is a whole other story
Couple of suggestions:
- Get the X71 suspension rather than PASM - it's cheaper and fantastic.
- Bundle the 18 way sport seats + leather interior. It drops the price of the Xenons to zero
- If you are in the US, the telephone module doesn't buy you much.
www.porsche-code.com/PEXN78Y7
otherwise, that's likely what I would do.
- Get the X71 suspension rather than PASM - it's cheaper and fantastic.
- Bundle the 18 way sport seats + leather interior. It drops the price of the Xenons to zero
- If you are in the US, the telephone module doesn't buy you much.
www.porsche-code.com/PEXN78Y7
otherwise, that's likely what I would do.
lol, it's dayquil and nyquil
My dealer gives out two day test drives, if you are a serious buyer, they will let you take it for a full day.
I agree, you can get really low mileage CPO ones for mid 60's to low 70's all day long and since it's Dark Blue Metallic and not Aqua or Sapphire blue, it's much easier to find in the use market. You don't have to wait 3 months and you don't have to suffer the huge depreciation if you decide it isn't for you and you want a 911.
They are two different cars. The Cayman handles better but is slower. I actually like the Cayman's look to the bland 911's w/o the aerokit. The Cayman is a quasi-exotic looking car for those who isn't into cars. Nearly everyone besides 911 owners will think the Cayman is a better looking car. The Cayman's handling is very predictable and neutral, thanks to it's mid-engine design. It's easier to drive fast, gives you more confidence, feels a lot lighter and more direct. If you got into both cars back to back w/o knowing which one you were in. I would bet you'll pick the Cayman, it's that good.
All the 911 has is heritage, nobody dreams about owning a Cayman, that is the stupiest thing I've ever heard. That's b/c when you are were growing up, there isn't a Cayman to dream about. It's a brand new mid-engine car, how many mid-engine cars can you name under $100K? I think the Cayman is a great car just not close to $100K good when it's only 325hp, even at 400hp, it can't demand a $100K price tag, it needs to be closer to 450hp imo. All the options are useless like full leather, deviated stitching, navigation, climate control that adds up to the 100K figure, all standard options on a $25K Ford focus.
My dealer gives out two day test drives, if you are a serious buyer, they will let you take it for a full day.
I agree, you can get really low mileage CPO ones for mid 60's to low 70's all day long and since it's Dark Blue Metallic and not Aqua or Sapphire blue, it's much easier to find in the use market. You don't have to wait 3 months and you don't have to suffer the huge depreciation if you decide it isn't for you and you want a 911.
They are two different cars. The Cayman handles better but is slower. I actually like the Cayman's look to the bland 911's w/o the aerokit. The Cayman is a quasi-exotic looking car for those who isn't into cars. Nearly everyone besides 911 owners will think the Cayman is a better looking car. The Cayman's handling is very predictable and neutral, thanks to it's mid-engine design. It's easier to drive fast, gives you more confidence, feels a lot lighter and more direct. If you got into both cars back to back w/o knowing which one you were in. I would bet you'll pick the Cayman, it's that good.
All the 911 has is heritage, nobody dreams about owning a Cayman, that is the stupiest thing I've ever heard. That's b/c when you are were growing up, there isn't a Cayman to dream about. It's a brand new mid-engine car, how many mid-engine cars can you name under $100K? I think the Cayman is a great car just not close to $100K good when it's only 325hp, even at 400hp, it can't demand a $100K price tag, it needs to be closer to 450hp imo. All the options are useless like full leather, deviated stitching, navigation, climate control that adds up to the 100K figure, all standard options on a $25K Ford focus.
Get the 991. The styling is truly timeless, its heritage is timeless, and you will never, ever regret buying it. Period. You can't say that with the Cayman. And speaking from personal experience, when I test drove the Boxster S and the 991S Cab back-to-back, there's simply no contest whatsoever. The Boxster S was a brilliant car, no doubt, but felt more like an appliance than the 991S. It was almost too composed, too civilized, no rough edges or quirks, and noticeably slower. The 991S had a great deal more personality and more identity, imho. It just feels special. And while my comparison isn't apples-to-apples to yours, it's essentially the same. And I've owned 1 Boxster S and 3 Carreras now. If this is the last and final Porsche you plan to buy, and you can afford it, why would you honestly buy anything other than the 911? It's probably the most iconic sports car in the world. Go get one!
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02-07-2014, 11:43 PM
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Get the 991. The styling is truly timeless, its heritage is timeless, and you will never, ever regret buying it. Period. You can't say that with the Cayman. And speaking from personal experience, when I test drove the Boxster S and the 991S Cab back-to-back, there's simply no contest whatsoever. The Boxster S was a brilliant car, no doubt, but felt more like an appliance than the 991S. It was almost too composed, too civilized, no rough edges or quirks, and noticeably slower. The 991S had a great deal more personality and more identity, imho. It just feels special. And while my comparison isn't apples-to-apples to yours, it's essentially the same. And I've owned 1 Boxster S and 3 Carreras now. If this is the last and final Porsche you plan to buy, and you can afford it, why would you honestly buy anything other than the 911? It's probably the most iconic sports car in the world. Go get one!
02-08-2014, 12:12 AM
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For everyone who bought a 981 and regretted that they didn't get a 991 instead, you can find a post from someone who bought a 991 and sold it quickly, realizing the reality didn't live up to the dream for them. But I can't think of a single 981 buyer, either here or on Planet9, who has mentioned being disillusioned or regretful about their purchase. I'm sure such owners exist, but they are not common. The only way to make a mistake is to buy either one without test-driving the other.
02-08-2014, 12:40 PM
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In all seriousness, unless you are looking to join a cult rather than simply buy a car, you have to drive both 981s and 991s before you will have any basis for a decision.
For everyone who bought a 981 and regretted that they didn't get a 991 instead, you can find a post from someone who bought a 991 and sold it quickly, realizing the reality didn't live up to the dream for them. But I can't think of a single 981 buyer, either here or on Planet9, who has mentioned being disillusioned or regretful about their purchase. I'm sure such owners exist, but they are not common. The only way to make a mistake is to buy either one without test-driving the other.
For everyone who bought a 981 and regretted that they didn't get a 991 instead, you can find a post from someone who bought a 991 and sold it quickly, realizing the reality didn't live up to the dream for them. But I can't think of a single 981 buyer, either here or on Planet9, who has mentioned being disillusioned or regretful about their purchase. I'm sure such owners exist, but they are not common. The only way to make a mistake is to buy either one without test-driving the other.
02-08-2014, 05:50 PM
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What set the 991 apart for me was refinement. It was noticeably quieter and more relaxed and comfortable. Airy cabin was refreshing after 4 years in a Cayman. Push a few buttons and you can change all that but it's nice to have the option. With the 991 I can enjoy the radio again! Of course the power is a plus as well!
02-08-2014, 05:52 PM
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Buy once, cry once. If you think you might fell like you 'settled' for the Cayman, don't do it.
I knew I wanted a C4S, but decided I didn't want to wait and order what I really wanted in the car. I knew I was settling when I bought the C2S, and will be ordering a C4S in about 2 years.
I knew I wanted a C4S, but decided I didn't want to wait and order what I really wanted in the car. I knew I was settling when I bought the C2S, and will be ordering a C4S in about 2 years.
02-08-2014, 07:49 PM
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What set the 991 apart for me was refinement. It was noticeably quieter and more relaxed and comfortable. Airy cabin was refreshing after 4 years in a Cayman. Push a few buttons and you can change all that but it's nice to have the option. With the 991 I can enjoy the radio again! Of course the power is a plus as well!
When I sat down in the 991 and compared it to the 981, I honestly couldn't tell you what car I was sitting in without counting the gauges or the back seats. Fit and finish are absolutely equivalent. If anything there are fewer complaints about squeaks and rattles in the 981s.
02-08-2014, 07:52 PM
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^Brad said, "after 4 years in a Cayman" so that can only be the 987 series. The 981C just came out last year.
02-08-2014, 08:30 PM
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As a kid I also dreamed of owning a 911 and that dream persisted until the 996 series. I wanted the 911 for it's looks, handling and focused experience. When the 996 was introduced I lost interest and really didn't take interest again until the 997 GT Series were introduced since they were closer to the original 911 with a less is more approach. But I do feel like the 911 has grown too large.
The Cayman and Boxster are more similarly sized to the old 911 and have similar weights. The power of the Cayman and Boxster are much higher than the older 911's so realistically they are a better version of the old 911, more modern, better handling, nicer interiors and more power.
If I didn't have the Spyder the Cayman would be #1 on my list. I would order with the sport suspension, upgraded sound, some leather options and not too much additional to keep it simple and focused.
The Cayman and Boxster are more similarly sized to the old 911 and have similar weights. The power of the Cayman and Boxster are much higher than the older 911's so realistically they are a better version of the old 911, more modern, better handling, nicer interiors and more power.
If I didn't have the Spyder the Cayman would be #1 on my list. I would order with the sport suspension, upgraded sound, some leather options and not too much additional to keep it simple and focused.
02-08-2014, 11:03 PM
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02-08-2014, 11:31 PM
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