GSIRM3

Why do you think no one on a Porsche board cares about the C7? I am not ready to go and trade my GTS on a C7, but I enjoy, and am interested in many sports/performance cars, regardless of brand. Seems like a lot of Porsche owners are insecure about themselves and their cars.

goofballdeluxe

Ah, America in the 50s and 60s: when we actually made quality stuff....

991999R

how about try reading the thread...

KBS911

These kinds of threads drive me nuts. Lets be candid, anyone that can afford a Porsche can by definition afford the new Vette or GTR, or whatever. This is obviously a Porsche forum, so the choice has been made. No disrespect to the Vette, they are quite capable cars, I get it. I have owned 2 Z06's, but they simply do not have the fit finish and feel of a 911, and box stock cannot hold up to the rigors of track days in the same manner as a Porsche. BTW, spare me the, yeah, but they are so much cheaper and you can do XXX mods and still be cheaper than a P car. Go buy the damn Vette then.

mattyf

Two coats, and by the way it wasn't a porch it was a Ferrari.

PeterC4

Every car has a value proposition. I agree with a lot of posters that there are many factors that go into the desirability of a car but its good to have a perspective on the marginal benefits that come with super car prices. These days, with the horsepower race on, pure straight line speed can produce many different winners. Here is a very good video comparing the 2014 Corvette to the 911 C4S and the Berlinetta F12....interesting results. The Corvette in this video could be had for about 65k.

Bacura

Porsche was the slowest on track but still the best drivers car. There is sooooooo much more to a car than raw numbers.

Coincident

The factors that are considered when choosing a vehicle are clearly very personal and multi dimensional. My advice is always to drive as extensively as possible, every potential candidate. While reviews in magazines and recommendation by others are useful, driving, feeling and experiencing a vehicle should be the determining factor in the car purchased.Buy the most car your budget allows since there never is remorse over buying something superior. Regrets occur when there are compromises over what was truly desired but not purchased.In the end, the driver has to love his car and it is totally irrelevant what others think.Be selfish and make yourself happy.

Coincident

My criteria for choosing a car are simple-
1) beautiful to look at
2) highest level of performance
3) finest build quality
4) great reliability

The first 2 factors are very subjective and no. 2 means different things to different people. Only the last 2 are objective and quantifiable.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Personally speaking, Aston Martins and Ferraris are beautiful, Porsches adhere to form following function and are attractive. GTRs are grotesque.

Performance- While numbers only reveal part of the story, I require speed and rapid off the line performance for a vehicle to be considered a candidate for purchase. 0-60 times over 5 seconds a priori disqualify a car for consideration. Now that speed is achieved, the car must handle. It needs to be agile, with communicative steering but most of all there must exist a real connection between the car and the driver.

The clincher is impossible to quantify but involves the overall feel of the car when I sit in it. The texture of the controls, their positioning, the comfort of the seats. The ultimate test is how much I look forward to drive the car and the sense of exhilaration I derive when doing so.

The car that satisfies all those requirements better than any other is the TTS. It is for me, the embodiment of what I want in a car.

chuck911

Anyone notice how many of the comments favorable to the Corvette are based on measured performance numbers? This reminds me very much of the way audiophiles used to focus on RMS watts and THD and IM measurements. This went on for years, until more and more people started realizing how many components measure good but sound bad. These people by and large were able to put the numbers aside and focus more on the ability of a component to reproduce music. Or as Robert Harley famously said, "If the first watt isn't any good, why would you want 200 more of them?"

With cars, GM has gone the Dynaco route, with 200 watts for (relatively) cheap, and a whole aftermarket industry selling kits to give you a thousand. A thousand watts, but why? Because it might measure good, but it sure don't sound like music.

But only to those who love music. Which in cars equates to driving. Which most people never learned how to do in the first place. And even fewer ever experienced in a 911. But the ones who have, well that explains why all the drivers cars reviews place the 911 on top.

As for value, well I don't know what value to place on being the very best, but I did own a 200 watt Dynaco once. Wound up giving it away. Once I learned to drive, er, enjoy music, it made my ears hurt.

Coincident

Your audio analogy is apropos. As a manufacturer of single ended triode tube amplifiers which produce 8 watts per channel but mated to correctly designed high efficiency speakers will sound purer, more transparent and dynamic than other solid state high power amplifiers.

The true analogy to cars is the horsepower to weight ratio. A 500 hp car that weighs 5000 lbs will not perform as well or be as fast as a 300 hp 3000 lb vehicle. Specs in audio components have been conclusively been proven to often bear little correlation to sound quality. Likewise for cars. However 0-60 times offer a fairly close approximation of the acceleration capability of a car. But not much else.

holminator

This thread is too funny. omg

Porsche911_S

+1

I, too, owned several Corvettes when I was a kid. They were always at the dealer for something, although I treated them really well. I loved them at the time but I got sick of all the repair work on brand new cars. And the Chevy service managers were not fun to deal with.

I moved on to other brands but was never really satisfied until I got a new 2001 911. Now I've bought a new 2013 911 and I'm thrilled with the car. You just cannot fairly compare a 911 with a Corvette. They're completely different beasts. I could care less about price and power. My 911S has more than I need already.

I'm an old fart and I just feel better in a 911. I can't help myself. I'll be blunt since I'm not running for political office and really don't care what anyone thinks of me. I think Corvettes are for kids and old men who can't afford what they really want, i.e., a new Porsche.

1analguy

Well, I find myself disagreeing with almost all of this. The only thing a C7 has in common with a Camaro is the origin of their tail light design. Also, there's less and less fiberglass on the car with each new iteration. And as for the C7's nasty looks (see below), they are the main reason that, for the first time in my life, I'm now seriously cross-shopping 911s, with another reason being the C7's still-present-after-all-these-decades NVH issues.



Very. Actually though, it's Hot Wheels. The C7's lead designer, Kirk Bennion, has admitted (out loud!) that his chief inspiration while growing up was Hot Wheels. I knew this before he said it, as the first thought that I had when I saw the new Camaro (also his design) was that it looked like a giant Hot Wheels toy, and the C7 does, too. Hell, it's actually possible to buy a new Camaro that says "Hot Wheels" right on the side of the car...



Actually, it was one of the nicest cars never produced. The big block wasn't available until '65, and then it was a 396...

Fünfzig

@1analguy correction: Hotwheels + Transformers = C7

Thanks for catching my error.