tangram

Surprised you could be so definitive in your dislike after so few miles, especially since this isn't exactly performance car season in Pennsylvania!

To each his own but personally I tend to measure twice, cut once.

Imo000

Buying a car for a girlfriend gets really interesting when you split up.

achildofthesky

tangram: Good policy, measure twice cut once...
Imo000 - been together for way over a decade...

Be safe and have a Happy New Year.
Patty

Porsche 25th

I am in between a 997TT 6 speed and a 991TTS (waiting on someone else to take that first depreciation hit). I am one week into a '14 C4S ownership. So far, I like the car and am anxious to learn more. It is fast and a pleasant alternative. However, only a forced induction car can give you that torque surge kick in the pants.

Dyim

What I would like to know is how much did it cost you to drive that 400miles. It is better to find out after that short period rather than 4 months or 4,000 miles IMO. At least, you bought used and it was not a custom order.

Noah Fect

I agree that the Aston may be the next best thing given your interests. They are valid desires, and underserved by the market. Could also think about the F-type. Out of curiosity, have you tried a Model S? What did you think, if so?

Also agree that the C7 would be worth looking at, unless "looking at it" is a problem due to the junior high school design aesthetic. If they'd offer the C7 platform in a separate model with a more mature body style, it would be almost ideal.

fastmd

Strange post.

BlackSpeed

I see the problem, 300-400 miles on a tank of gas = not driving the car correctly
The car is most enjoyable at high RPMs and revving the f*&k out of it. As a former AMG owner, I'd say take a look at them, they have gobs of torque on tap all of the time, but the handling and shifts leave much to be desired. I absolutely love going WOT and get 2 or 3 clicks in at 7k RPM, it's an amazing feeling and pushing it through the corners never gets old either. If the car is being shifted at 4k RPM and an occasional stab at the throttle is what you're comfortable with, then you got the wrong car--no biggie, it's just $

My .02

fxz

400 miles and you think to know a car potential ??
400 miles are just nothing to say i drove a 991 C4S

Your girlfriend drove the car ??? sounds like an excuse,

the point before buying an aspirated Porsche is :
Am i a so sophisticated driver able to understand this project ?
If you re not the one yet then you can also ask Am i willing to finally learn
how to drive and appreciate a car , do i have the will or the time ?

If one of the above is a Yes then buy it otherwise
If the answer is not then better to buy a Mercedes AMG (any) or a BMW M5/6
just torque for sheiks on straight roads in the desert /wouldn t the 8.4L Viper fit better maybe?)

fxz

https://rennlist.com/forums/991/7926...ture-king.html

fast1

True. Although this case is extreme, there are lots of Porsches on the market that are less than a year old. I talked to a Porsche salesman about this a couple years ago, and he told me that hardly a month goes by before a Porsche owner comes to his dealership, looking to trade-in their almost new car for something else. He attributed this to two factors: most Porsche owners have a great deal of disposable income, and in many cases a Porsche is an impulse purchase.
The salesman told me that Porsche dealers love to buy these almost new cars because they typically make a far greater profit on their sale than they do on new cars.

achildofthesky

Blackspeed:

It was initially interesting revving it out. The sound was nice (for an interval) and the car felt pretty quick though after going into 3rd and 4th the rate of acceleration really tapered off noticeably. Hard acceleration from rest through the first 2 gears is good. However, unlike Vin Diesel and some others, my life does not exist a quarter mile at a time all the time, any time and every time. Strong, tractable power combined with comfort, style and luxury is the right formula for a daily driver.

My biggest point is the lower end torque surge and for that matter at all speeds is what I should have looked for rather than a motor that really needs that revving to be perceived as quick. A much longer test drive would have pointed that out. An afternoon long demo or at the least luxury rental specialist with a C4S for the weekend would have sorted this out without all the buy and sell business. The 991 does feel quite nice cockpit wise, corners very well and is a capable car but when I realized it wasn't quite right it was time to cashier it and get it right the next time.

I guess it comes down to I bought the right car but wrong engine. Especially as it will be my daily driver. A daily driver for me is a relative term as I cycle for exercise more in a week than I drive. There are then the short to midrange trips we take 10 or 15 times a year. These are my opinions and preferences though and not meaning to stir controversy here.

Though I am not a Merc fan they do make strong engines and quality interiors for the sake of proper investigation I will have a look at their models.

Dyim: Those 400 miles were indeed expensive as it goes but holding the C4S until I got a Turbo would have cost a good deal more. You are absolutely right about being glad at this point in it not being a bespoke car. CPO also gets the added warranty but in my case the car never even got to the point of needing vacuuming the interior(;->).

Noah Fect: Astons are beautiful Autos. They may well be examined as well. As for the C7 I am not really a GM gal, with it being Govt. Motors for a time. If I did anything GM it would be a Camaro to beat up for a while. I can't believe I even typed those words as GM (just to me, mind you) is not something I have ever found desirable. A bit like a really bitter culpa coffee. The Camaro is a blunt instrument but it does have the power, grip too it would seem (I have not drove a Camaro in a LONG time) no doubt and the looks are a bit more tolerable. I have not owned a "beater" in a while.

fastmd: Strange post as I am a strange person, perhaps.

fxz: I do not know the cars full potential but I did get to know it was not the right dance partner. Kind of like a first date. My gf most definitely was not the deciding factor as she to counceled to keep the car and keep looking. Selfless to a fault that one is. If something were to happen to me she would have sold the C4S for sure and gone for a couple of Audi's so I took then opportunity to fill one of those slots for her for the Holidays.

I am sophisticated enough a operator to understand when the wrong choice was made and then work to correct the mistake. Also, I have no problem at all admitting when I made an error. The ego factor is rather low here as I have done stupid things before and will likely do a few more before I am gone so I just do what I can to minimize mistakes and get on with life. It is just money is right. Luckily the market has made that an easier pill to swallow.

My background growing up saw me working with my father as he had a large engine rebuilding shop and I started working there when I was 11. Though we specialized in vintage engines of all makes and models we rebuilt any and all that came in. We did all the machining and were one of a few places that still cast and machined babbit bearings. I worked there pretty much full time hour wise (school was 1/2 days often) counting weekends. To say I have worked on hundreds of engines is not hyperbole. After he passed, I stayed in the mechanical-technical field working on building things like life support sub-systems for the space station at NASA with subcontractor Hamilton Standard (now Sunstrand) and then on to steel fabrication, fitting and installation aboard Ballistic Missile Nuclear Submarines at General Dynamics.

For the last couple decades I have been a Commercial Helicopter Pilot (EMS, ENG, etc...) and Instructor and did most all the maintenance work on the 3 small helicopters that I have owned in the past. I am not an A&P but did have to train my local A&P IA's in how to do most of the procedures and inspections for 100 hour and annual inspections not common to fixed wing aircraft. I am retired now and I feel confident in saying I am mechanically able to comprehend advanced systems on a car such s a 991 Turbo.

You are right in the comment about the M5 and by extent also an Audi S6, RS7 or S8 as they are AWD/Quattro (we are now on our 14th Audi Quattro). I would buy, right now, an RS6 Avant but until AoA sees fit to offer that here that is but a pipe dream. The RS7 is pretty much the same excepting for the body aft of the b pillar and we do prefer greatly the AWD Avant/Estate body style for an all around automobile. An S8 as a long distance cruiser is a very real possibility in leu of the RS6 Avant. Talk about scary levels of depreciation, look no further than an 8 series Audi though. Definitely a car to buy CPO.

None of these are sports cars however capable they are given their size.

The Viper is a non starter for me.

I have viewed the video previously that you linked, but thank you for pointing it out.


Have a fine weekend and upcoming New Year to all and do be safe.

Patty

bccars

I really can't honestly comment on this thread without insulting the OP. So I'm shutting up right now !

MKW

or an SL 63

WCE

My car clueless but wealthy inlaws walked into a MBZ dealership and leased a brand new E class. A week later they decided it wasn't exclusive enough for them so they simply went back and exchanged it for a new lease on a brand new CLS. Money cures a lot of life's little problems...