Felt a big difference between a MT and PDK 2014 C2S
02-04-2014 | 02:06 PM
#76
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Huh? To say that a MT does not provide an as engaging experience as a PDK gearbox is just plain wrong. Driving isn't just about how fast you drive, which is where the PDK has the edge (at least on a track, where most of us spend very little to no time in our P-Cars). And to say that a MT provides less control than a PDK is just plain wrong as well. With a PDK you don't have the ability to modulate the clutch and throttle together as you can in a MT. It's the old analog vs. digital analogy. PDK is an on/off experience whereas the MT provides a range of possibilities. I wasn't going to chime in but I just couldn't help myself. 
I actually couldn't care less how anybody chooses to spend their hard earned dollars on a sports car. But I do care when inaccurate comments are made.
I actually couldn't care less how anybody chooses to spend their hard earned dollars on a sports car. But I do care when inaccurate comments are made.
Trojan PDK: Less feeling, better numbers, but so much peace of mind if you're in a forced gang-bang with hookers.
(Technically with PDK you may arrive prematurely, but that's considered a positive in this comparison...)
02-04-2014 | 03:06 PM
#78
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Indeed these MT v. PDK threads (much like the seemingly endless 911 v. Vette threads) are riddled with insecurity. Just drive what you like.
02-04-2014 | 06:50 PM
#81
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I'm sure many of the PDK owners who came out of MT 911s, like myself, never drive the thing in automatic mode ... I start the car, put it in manual, put it in Sport or Sport Plus and shift it just like I would any MT car. I just don't need to use my left foot to do it. Crack off a few lightning fast downshifts and upshifts and you come to understand why they are phasing the clutch pedal out.
The only time my car is ever in auto mode is in a traffic jam or stuck at the drive-through.
If you want the MT, by all means, get it. But don't equate the PDK in your head with the Tiptronic or any other automatic transmission. And don't ever drive it in automatic unless you are on the track in Sport Plus mode.
The only time my car is ever in auto mode is in a traffic jam or stuck at the drive-through.
If you want the MT, by all means, get it. But don't equate the PDK in your head with the Tiptronic or any other automatic transmission. And don't ever drive it in automatic unless you are on the track in Sport Plus mode.
02-04-2014 | 07:12 PM
#82
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02-04-2014 | 10:05 PM
#83
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02-05-2014 | 04:52 AM
#84
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You are right ! Neither sides are going to convince each other. It's all wasted energy and irrelevant anyway. The 991 is bloody brilliant in any guise, be it MT, be it PDK, be it C2, be it C4S,... !
02-05-2014 | 09:13 AM
#85
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I don't know what is happening at Rennlist, or with Porsche enthusiasts. This has always been a place where we could share opinions, debate, and learn. Now it seems that many topics (MT vs PDK, 911 vs Vette, 997 vs 991 etc...) are just becoming more argumentative and less of a fun debate.
Who cares which is better to everyone, get the one you like best. But really some of these pompous snipes, some of these silly arguments, and some just mean comments. Lighten up.
I buy these cars to enjoy, to escape the arguments and pressures that much of life is filled with. This is an escape for me, and I thought many others, maybe I'm wrong.
Sorry if I offended anyone. If I didn't then you are all invited to my garage on Saturday for BBQ and old fashioned car talk. I'll even let you drive one of my Porsches (if you can drive a MT).
Who cares which is better to everyone, get the one you like best. But really some of these pompous snipes, some of these silly arguments, and some just mean comments. Lighten up.
I buy these cars to enjoy, to escape the arguments and pressures that much of life is filled with. This is an escape for me, and I thought many others, maybe I'm wrong.
Sorry if I offended anyone. If I didn't then you are all invited to my garage on Saturday for BBQ and old fashioned car talk. I'll even let you drive one of my Porsches (if you can drive a MT).
02-05-2014 | 09:44 AM
#86
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I don't know what is happening at Rennlist, or with Porsche enthusiasts. This has always been a place where we could share opinions, debate, and learn. Now it seems that many topics (MT vs PDK, 911 vs Vette, 997 vs 991 etc...) are just becoming more argumentative and less of a fun debate. Who cares which is better to everyone, get the one you like best. But really some of these pompous snipes, some of these silly arguments, and some just mean comments. Lighten up. I buy these cars to enjoy, to escape the arguments and pressures that much of life is filled with. This is an escape for me, and I thought many others, maybe I'm wrong. Sorry if I offended anyone. If I didn't then you are all invited to my garage on Saturday for BBQ and old fashioned car talk. I'll even let you drive one of my Porsches (if you can drive a MT).
+1
I'd take you up on that invite if you weren't so far...
02-05-2014 | 09:53 AM
#87
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I test drove two 2014 C2'S one with the MT and one with the PDK.
I could not believe the difference in performance.
The PDK equipped car felt lightening fast while the MT car just felt fast.
I've always had MT cars so I'm not sure if I would get bored with a PDK, even though it does offers better acceleration.
I never thought the difference would feel this noticeable.
The stats say 0-60 for MT 4.3sec and PDK 3.9sec.
Tough decision.
I could not believe the difference in performance.
The PDK equipped car felt lightening fast while the MT car just felt fast.
I've always had MT cars so I'm not sure if I would get bored with a PDK, even though it does offers better acceleration.
I never thought the difference would feel this noticeable.
The stats say 0-60 for MT 4.3sec and PDK 3.9sec.
Tough decision.
02-06-2014 | 01:42 AM
#88
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When I bought my 2012 C2S w/7mt, I also drove a couple others with PDK and didn't notice any perceivable difference in performance...0.4 seconds is hard to feel seat-of-the-pants. Regardless, I was looking for a DD, so I went with the a 3 pedal car. Now for the GT3 I'm on a list for, I would have got the PDK even if the 7mt would have been an option as PDK is great for the track
02-06-2014 | 10:06 AM
#89
Burning Brakes
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Then again, I rarely talk on the phone, read, eat, or put on makeup while I'm driving, I drive.
