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I will keep looking. I had a ferrari 458 that was scratched 7 years ago, as you can see very tiny. I sure got beaten up over it. Instead of $220,000 I had to take $190,000 as it showed up on AutoCheck. I would show the photos, but got the daylights smoked out of me. So I guess the same for the 50th.
I have a question since you owned a 991.2T and the 50th Anniversary. I have had a 991.1S (manual) for seven years and greatly enjoyed the car; it is trouble-free and great fun to drive. I have been looking for a while to acquire the 911 50th instead, but I am kind of balking at the huge premium over my car, which is essentially the same minus the power kit, wide body, and all the extra goodies regarding the appearance.
A friend of mine suggested getting the 991.2T since it would drive better than both the 991.1S or 50th (or 991.1 GTS, for that matter), and a good condition 991.2T can probably be found for 100k+.
I was wondering if you share the sentiment that the T is better or whether you feel the 50th Anniversary is more special and more fun to drive.
THX for any insights. Best, Andreas
Andreas, I posted my thoughts back in 2021 in a thread where the OP was contemplating a 991.2 Carrera T vs. a 991.1 GTS (which, essentially is the 50th minus the special heritage bits). You can see my thoughts and the thoughts of others here: https://rennlist.com/forums/991/1282...ispreloading=1
The short version:
1. The biggest and most obvious difference is that the 991.2 is turbocharged while the 991.1 is NA. Have you driven a 991.2? I suggest that be your first course of action as a threshold determination on whether a 991.2 is to your liking.
2. 991.2 comes with an updated PCM that has CarPlay capability OEM, if that matters to you.
3. I find the steering feel to be much improved in the .2 cars. That isn't to say the .1 cars have bad steering feel, but it is undeniable that Porsche made improvements.
4. The suspension is more compliant in the .2 cars. Again, it simply is progress by Porsche. BUT, you can drastically improve the suspension compliance in any 991 car by purchasing a DSC controller. In my opinion, it is the best "mod" per dollar spent on these cars. When I put a DSC controller in my 50th I felt the suspension compliance was just as good as it was on my Carrera T.
5. The gear selector in the Carrera T is shorter, more like something from the GT4, and the shift action is more precise/rifle bolt-like compared to the 991.1. Again, I was perfectly happy with the shift action in the 50th. It fit the character of the car.
Do you still have your Carrera S (I couldn't quite tell from your post)? I can see the argument that a 50th is not enough of a jump to justify the price difference. IMO, the 50th makes sense if (1) you love your 991.1; (2) drive a 991.2 and confirm you prefer NA; and (3) get truly weak in the knees at all the special touches on the 50th. If only (1) and (2) but not (3), and you still have your Carrera S, then pat yourself on the back for making a solid choice already and smile at the coin you will save! If you drive the 991.2 and find the additional power down low and other improvements refreshing, and like the 50th but don't lust after the look, then Carrera T is a great choice.
To beat a dead horse, the 50th is a very special car to own. Be prepared to constantly get compliments on it wherever you go. I have said it multiple times in my infrequent post history: I think these cars are still undervalued when really considering what they represent both mechanically and as a limited/numbered car. BUT, none of that matters if those things, as an entire package, don't really speak to you. I have met plenty of people that are not really into the heritage stuff to the extent of wanting to drive a modern 1963-looking 911. And I will say, just to add the flip side of the coin, that since I have gone to a very contemporary looking 911, I am very happy with that as well and doubt I will ever go back to a heritage type theme. That is not to say I regret the 50th at all. It is more a statement about just how much Porsche got right with that car (Tony Hatter specifically) and nothing else really measures up to me as far as heritage tribute cars go.
Hey John, thank you so much for your quick response and great write-up. I also checked out your post from 2021.
Everything you say makes 100% sense, and I wholeheartedly agree. Not a big surprise here, you are just confirming based on experience all my hunches. I would love to test drive a 911.2T, but even though I live in LA, there are next to no cars to try out, just so few on the market. Even the 992 is barely around to try out.
And to your question, yes, I still have the 991.1S, and I am very glad I kept the car despite being tempted multiple times to sell over the last 1-2 years with the price bubble. I also have a 964 (1991 C4 Coupe) and I really cherish the experience of driving both cars for fun, they are great for what they are and very complementary in their experiences.
I think, given everything, I will probably either just keep my 991.1S or upgrade to the 911 50th if I find the right car. I prefer graphite grey; it has to be manual, of course, and also has pepita as a minimum. Ideally, some other stuff, too. So if that happens, great. If not, I am fine, too.
Given that I look at almost a $100k delta for the upgrade, I was also considering adding a 993 to the stable. While it won't be dramatically different from my 964, it is such a classic, and the looks have grown on me over the years.
Plus, to your point, Tony Hatter's design really shines on the 993 and the 50th.
Andreas, I posted my thoughts back in 2021 in a thread where the OP was contemplating a 991.2 Carrera T vs. a 991.1 GTS (which, essentially is the 50th minus the special heritage bits). You can see my thoughts and the thoughts of others here: https://rennlist.com/forums/991/1282...ispreloading=1
The short version:
1. The biggest and most obvious difference is that the 991.2 is turbocharged while the 991.1 is NA. Have you driven a 991.2? I suggest that be your first course of action as a threshold determination on whether a 991.2 is to your liking.
2. 991.2 comes with an updated PCM that has CarPlay capability OEM, if that matters to you.
3. I find the steering feel to be much improved in the .2 cars. That isn't to say the .1 cars have bad steering feel, but it is undeniable that Porsche made improvements.
4. The suspension is more compliant in the .2 cars. Again, it simply is progress by Porsche. BUT, you can drastically improve the suspension compliance in any 991 car by purchasing a DSC controller. In my opinion, it is the best "mod" per dollar spent on these cars. When I put a DSC controller in my 50th I felt the suspension compliance was just as good as it was on my Carrera T.
5. The gear selector in the Carrera T is shorter, more like something from the GT4, and the shift action is more precise/rifle bolt-like compared to the 991.1. Again, I was perfectly happy with the shift action in the 50th. It fit the character of the car.
Do you still have your Carrera S (I couldn't quite tell from your post)? I can see the argument that a 50th is not enough of a jump to justify the price difference. IMO, the 50th makes sense if (1) you love your 991.1; (2) drive a 991.2 and confirm you prefer NA; and (3) get truly weak in the knees at all the special touches on the 50th. If only (1) and (2) but not (3), and you still have your Carrera S, then pat yourself on the back for making a solid choice already and smile at the coin you will save! If you drive the 991.2 and find the additional power down low and other improvements refreshing, and like the 50th but don't lust after the look, then Carrera T is a great choice.
To beat a dead horse, the 50th is a very special car to own. Be prepared to constantly get compliments on it wherever you go. I have said it multiple times in my infrequent post history: I think these cars are still undervalued when really considering what they represent both mechanically and as a limited/numbered car. BUT, none of that matters if those things, as an entire package, don't really speak to you. I have met plenty of people that are not really into the heritage stuff to the extent of wanting to drive a modern 1963-looking 911. And I will say, just to add the flip side of the coin, that since I have gone to a very contemporary looking 911, I am very happy with that as well and doubt I will ever go back to a heritage type theme. That is not to say I regret the 50th at all. It is more a statement about just how much Porsche got right with that car (Tony Hatter specifically) and nothing else really measures up to me as far as heritage tribute cars go.
Nice summary! I only got a 50 because I wanted an older 911 with safety features and more modern performance. I got it for the heritage features, not the performance, otherwise, just go with a cheaper GTS, which will perform the same. It’s more of an art piece than a performance machine for me, and I drive it as such: much more slowly and deliberately than any other 911 that I own.
All you owners tell me about how important or unimportant to have the 50th with PDCC. Is that a big deal for the price and collectibility of the car? Or is just a personal choice. Is PDCC a make or break on the car.
Would you rather get a high mileage with PDCC or super low miles with no PDCC.
Thanks everyone,
John
All you owners tell me about how important or unimportant to have the 50th with PDCC. Is that a big deal for the price and collectibility of the car? Or is just a personal choice. Is PDCC a make or break on the car.
Would you rather get a high mileage with PDCC or super low miles with no PDCC.
Thanks everyone,
John
John, I'm not a collector, but I don't think that PDCC is that important. I didn't even look for it on my example, though mine has it. (I thought it was an automatic selection). Most important to me are: exterior color, interior, and PDK/manual. That was all I cared about. If the car doesn't move you, don't get it; just get a GTS, and save $20,000+. As I mentioned, I really wanted a 1970's model 911, but after reading about maintenance, reliability, and safety, I bought a modern 911 that looks more like a 1960's edition. Enjoy!
Ok thanks. I only want a 50th anniversary, I like the green , the seats, etc. So a GTS just would not work for me, in that case I will just keep the Turbo s. Thanks for the input.
Hello, I’m trying to educate myself on the 50th cars, as I think it could be my choice for my “forever” 911. A rear wiper is about my only mandatory option. I’m assuming the cars came pretty much loaded, but are there any make or break options? Also I’m familiar with the exterior colors, but what interior colors were available. In photos Geyser Gray has a yellowish tone to it, and the agate grey interior seems to work really well with it. What color options were available for the interior leather, and houndstooth inserts? Are all the houndstooth cloth the same or some black white, and some brown white? Same with the leather, only black, or was brown or agate available. Lastly what roofs were available, is there non sunroof cars, then standard sunroofs, and lastly panoramic glass roofs? Thanks for any info you can share.
Six months ago, there were quite a few for sale from 140k-200k. Now there’s only one for sale for 145k…Seems like Bring a Trailer is the best place to find these, as one will pop up every month or so.
Yeah, seems like there were several for sale in Nov, Dec. The person that has the one on cargurus will not answer Emails. I have tried to contact him for 2 months. But I want PDCC, his does not have the PDCC.
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