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Old 10-11-2013, 03:00 AM
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I've had my 991S basically topped out (once) and the car was nailed down until about 178mph+ or thereabouts. That's when the sunroof started lifting out of the body slightly and leaking air into the cabin and the front end started getting lighter. Again, the car was absolutely rock solid except for that last 10-12 mph, which is to be expected as you close in on the limit of the car's performance envelope. FWIW, my car had SPASM and did not have the Aero kit. Could be the alignment, could have been tire pressures, could have been a crosswind. I'd check the alignment, reset the tire pressures to the 165 MPH door jamb spec and try again if you're feeling adventurous.

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Old 10-11-2013, 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by lbahoshy

I'm also curious where you can do 140 mph in New York? I've done that in my old Boxster S but I was younger then. If I do that now and get caught by the cops, it's bye bye license for a while and car gets impounded for a week.
I live in upstate NY. There are plenty of open areas on the highways. I was cruising at about 85 and saw a nice open stretch I know where there weren't any other cars. This car is pretty quick so I get up there fast.
Old 10-11-2013, 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Pazzo009
I live in upstate NY. There are plenty of open areas on the highways. I was cruising at about 85 and saw a nice open stretch I know where there weren't any other cars. This car is pretty quick so I get up there fast.

Agreed. Even in my older 997.2 it could get to that mark in a relatively short time.

What are the legal consequences in NY if you happen to run into a speed trap at that speed?
Old 10-11-2013, 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by lbahoshy
Agreed. Even in my older 997.2 it could get to that mark in a relatively short time.

What are the legal consequences in NY if you happen to run into a speed trap at that speed?
I would have to assume arrested. Charged with Reckless driving and loss of license.
Old 10-11-2013, 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by chuck911
How much road do you need to do 140? Quarter mile rolling? Half mile standing?
Oh, I'd say easy in about 1/3 mi on the straight after an 80+ mph sweeper in time to slow for the 90 degree at the end....
Old 10-11-2013, 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by chuckbdc
Oh, I'd say easy in about 1/3 mi on the straight after an 80+ mph sweeper in time to slow for the 90 degree at the end....
Yeah, in other words there are LOTS of places you can do 140! Safely!
I recall commuting home one day in my Honda, northbound 405 just south of the NE 8th exit (the one you would take going to Barrier Porsche.... hmmm...) and I check my mirror as I routinely do all the time, expecting to see nothing because I know that even though its rush hour with a lot of traffic I had just left a big group behind and there was a big gap behind me, but no, there's one car in the mirror, a little one but getting big fast, a 997 doing at least 140. The situation is similar to what chuck described, the guy probably came out of the group behind me, hit 150 coming downhill in a gently sweeping right hander, massive visibility, nobody there but me and by the time he comes past he's clearly coasted down to only about 120, and taking the exit... to Barrier? A test drive? Nope, only one guy in the car...
Old 10-12-2013, 02:39 AM
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Originally Posted by John 996 TT Cab
. . . . Earlier in 2012 I drove a rental 991 Cab as fast as 164 mph with top down but windows and windscreen up. No instability at all.
And John still has hair!
Old 10-12-2013, 02:56 PM
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Hey Pazzo, its been a couple days, wondering how things are going? Have you noticed it feeling like it did on the new asphalt anywhere else? How many miles on the car now?
Old 10-12-2013, 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by chuck911
Hey Pazzo, its been a couple days, wondering how things are going? Have you noticed it feeling like it did on the new asphalt anywhere else? How many miles on the car now?
Hi Chuck, thanks for checking in on me. I drove it the other day but I did not have a safe opportunity to get up to that speed. I think I had it around 110 at some point. Everything felt good but we all know a lot can change in 30 mph. Anyway I have about 340 miles on the car. Still haven't had any real opportunities to play with her too much.
Old 10-14-2013, 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by chuck911
Hey Pazzo, its been a couple days, wondering how things are going? Have you noticed it feeling like it did on the new asphalt anywhere else? How many miles on the car now?
Well I hit 142 this morning and things felt better than the other time. I also was not in brand new asphalt.
Old 10-14-2013, 02:02 PM
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So, it was the combo of new asphalt exacerbating normal effects of brand new tires. And now, thanks to all the accelerations you did in the first few hundred miles, your car is broken in! Congratulations!
Old 10-17-2013, 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Pazzo009
Lol... Yeah I don't play "Just the tip" However, I'm not pushing her in the turns yet. I live in upstate NY too, so road temps have not been optimal.
You didn't by any chance get your new baby in Clifton Park, did you?
Old 10-17-2013, 06:17 PM
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I think this is your answer.

I came from an M5 as well and that car was stuck solid to the road at high speeds. I went into a 996TT after the M5 and had the same experience as you ("This is a Porsche, how could this be?").

I added PSS9's, sway bars, and an alignment and it got a lot better but still a bit floaty. In the end I chalked it up to having no experience in a rear engine car. The turbo seemed light to me even with the heavier front end because of 4wd.

I image the 991 is much improved with the longer wheelbase but haven't found a dealership that will let me take it to '11' (aka 140) yet.

Originally Posted by lbahoshy
It might be that you're just not used to how a 911 feels. Certainly the weight distribution is totally different than an M5.

My first test drive in a 911 (997) I had a similar sensation of the very light front end and it may also be described as the car feeling "floaty" at the front and I was used to driving a Boxster at the time.

I wonder if it's just that; you're perception of "floatiness" because of the much lighter front end. The grip is there, but the car is a lightweight compared to the tank like M5. Just something to consider. This feeling will certainly go away as you get used to the car.
Old 10-17-2013, 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Porsche911_S
You didn't by any chance get your new baby in Clifton Park, did you?
No, I live in Orange County NY.
Old 10-17-2013, 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by 997xpress
I think this is your answer.

I came from an M5 as well and that car was stuck solid to the road at high speeds. I went into a 996TT after the M5 and had the same experience as you ("This is a Porsche, how could this be?").

I added PSS9's, sway bars, and an alignment and it got a lot better but still a bit floaty. In the end I chalked it up to having no experience in a rear engine car. The turbo seemed light to me even with the heavier front end because of 4wd.

I image the 991 is much improved with the longer wheelbase but haven't found a dealership that will let me take it to '11' (aka 140) yet.
Thank you, that is helpful. I presume as well that there is not too much weight in the front of this car so perhaps this affects it at high speeds. I hit 142 recently and it felt better, but overall the M5 feels more grounded at high speed. I'm still getting acclimated to the car and more importantly learning how it reacts in certain situations due to the drastic change in physics that I've been so accustomed to for my entire driving experience.

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