Drove the 991 yesterday. Ahem.
#31
Three Wheelin'
I'm an old guy. Bought my first Porsche in 1970. A signal yellow 911S. Bought a lot Porsches since 1970 including a CGT. The last two Porsches I have owned have been a 997.1 GT3 and still own a Boxster Spyder. Owned numerous Ferraris too. Sold my 430 Scuderia and bought the Boxster Spyder. I've been lucky in life and lucky to have a wife who puts up with my car sickness.
I take the Spyder in for service and have two hours to kill. The sales person hands me the keys to a new 991S, PDK. I've never owned nor driven a PDK Porsche. I've read all the comments about the new 991 and was anxious to try the PDK. I drove the car hard for two hours. I really wanted to like the car but it didn't happen. The car lacked excitement. The PDK shifting was too slow for my tastes. Porsche has made a great car but somehow has taken the sportiness out of the car. One way I judge a car is this; does it make me want to write a check right then and there? The car I drove just didn't make me write the check.
I take the Spyder in for service and have two hours to kill. The sales person hands me the keys to a new 991S, PDK. I've never owned nor driven a PDK Porsche. I've read all the comments about the new 991 and was anxious to try the PDK. I drove the car hard for two hours. I really wanted to like the car but it didn't happen. The car lacked excitement. The PDK shifting was too slow for my tastes. Porsche has made a great car but somehow has taken the sportiness out of the car. One way I judge a car is this; does it make me want to write a check right then and there? The car I drove just didn't make me write the check.
#32
I have to admit I have been very pleased with my 991. I even decided to join this forum to discuss the car/porsches with others who are also into the brand. Unfortunately I have to admit that joining this forum was a mistake. All I have read is disdain and venom towards the car I purchased from people who supposedly support the brand. I guess I shouldn't go to any Porsche Club meetings either because I assume I will be ridiculed for my taste in cars from people such as yourself. At least my wife is hot.
#33
I have to admit I have been very pleased with my 991. I even decided to join this forum to discuss the car/porsches with others who are also into the brand. Unfortunately I have to admit that joining this forum was a mistake. All I have read is disdain and venom towards the car I purchased from people who supposedly support the brand. I guess I shouldn't go to any Porsche Club meetings either because I assume I will be ridiculed for my taste in cars from people such as yourself. At least my wife is hot.
Somewhat ironically, for every post to the effect of "why is a Porsche forum so negative about Porsche?" there's a post saying "typical Porsche forum -- totally biased and one-eyed devotion to the brand with no balance or critical thought." Thus, nature balances itself.
As for PCA, check out the local region in your vicinity. At least around California, the various groups of pca.org are very much a social organisation with the emphasis on sharing the interest in all things Porsche -- from tractors to Boxsters, winery touring to time trials and everything in-between. If owners can show up in a Panamera and not be heckled (too severely) I'm pretty sure you can show up in a 2012 911 and not be asked to park around back. : )
#34
Three Wheelin'
I have to admit I have been very pleased with my 991. I even decided to join this forum to discuss the car/porsches with others who are also into the brand. Unfortunately I have to admit that joining this forum was a mistake. All I have read is disdain and venom towards the car I purchased from people who supposedly support the brand. I guess I shouldn't go to any Porsche Club meetings either because I assume I will be ridiculed for my taste in cars from people such as yourself. At least my wife is hot.
#35
I'm an old guy. Bought my first Porsche in 1970. A signal yellow 911S. Bought a lot Porsches since 1970 including a CGT. The last two Porsches I have owned have been a 997.1 GT3 and still own a Boxster Spyder. Owned numerous Ferraris too. Sold my 430 Scuderia and bought the Boxster Spyder. I've been lucky in life and lucky to have a wife who puts up with my car sickness.
I take the Spyder in for service and have two hours to kill. The sales person hands me the keys to a new 991S, PDK. I've never owned nor driven a PDK Porsche. I've read all the comments about the new 991 and was anxious to try the PDK. I drove the car hard for two hours. I really wanted to like the car but it didn't happen. The car lacked excitement. The PDK shifting was too slow for my tastes. Porsche has made a great car but somehow has taken the sportiness out of the car. One way I judge a car is this; does it make me want to write a check right then and there? The car I drove just didn't make me write the check.
I take the Spyder in for service and have two hours to kill. The sales person hands me the keys to a new 991S, PDK. I've never owned nor driven a PDK Porsche. I've read all the comments about the new 991 and was anxious to try the PDK. I drove the car hard for two hours. I really wanted to like the car but it didn't happen. The car lacked excitement. The PDK shifting was too slow for my tastes. Porsche has made a great car but somehow has taken the sportiness out of the car. One way I judge a car is this; does it make me want to write a check right then and there? The car I drove just didn't make me write the check.
If you wanted something to convince you to replace a Boxster Spyder, I don't think such a car exists.
If you wanted something to really knock your socks off compared to a 997.1 GT3, you've got the 997.2 RS or RS 4.0 ... going from a 997.1 GT3 to a .2 RS, I was astonished by the performance of the RS. Again, I don't think there's a car on the planet that will convince an enthusiastic driver to get out of an RS.
As for the measure of the 991, my only reservation is the steering. I didn't buy the thing expecting it to convince me to push the 3.8 RS out to the curb with a "free to good home" sign under the wiper. But I did expect it to be as good or better than the 997.2 as an all-rounder and to that extent, I think the 991 delivers the goods.
I cut it a bit of slack as sort of "version 1" and trust that whatever else is going on at Porsche and VW, the next 991 will be at the very least, incrementally better. As has been noted here by many, until we see this 991 get into a fight, we won't know its true colors. It's going to take a year or two until we see the GT3 and RS variants, the eventual Cup car and so on.
#36
Rennlist Member
#37
Three Wheelin'
You've got quite the range of experience in Porsche, so I can only suggest you drove a poorly configured example (or you happened to not try Sport and Sport Plus in PDK.) After all PDK is amazing, especially on the road, and its shifts are not only the quickest draw in the west, in Sport Plus, the shift happens in literally negative time (ie., the next gear upshift occurs before the current gear is fully disengaged by its clutch ... this programming is a deliberate "overlap" to use the clutch engage to accelerate the gar with a momentary torque advantage at the same time as allowing the engine to remain at wide open throttle.) The shifts might "feel" a little soft and smooth (unlike the skull fracturing jolt of the Aventador with a single clutch and time working against it) but for sure, they're faster than lightning because the transmission is literally in two places at the same time.
If you wanted something to convince you to replace a Boxster Spyder, I don't think such a car exists.
If you wanted something to really knock your socks off compared to a 997.1 GT3, you've got the 997.2 RS or RS 4.0 ... going from a 997.1 GT3 to a .2 RS, I was astonished by the performance of the RS. Again, I don't think there's a car on the planet that will convince an enthusiastic driver to get out of an RS.
As for the measure of the 991, my only reservation is the steering. I didn't buy the thing expecting it to convince me to push the 3.8 RS out to the curb with a "free to good home" sign under the wiper. But I did expect it to be as good or better than the 997.2 as an all-rounder and to that extent, I think the 991 delivers the goods.
I cut it a bit of slack as sort of "version 1" and trust that whatever else is going on at Porsche and VW, the next 991 will be at the very least, incrementally better. As has been noted here by many, until we see this 991 get into a fight, we won't know its true colors. It's going to take a year or two until we see the GT3 and RS variants, the eventual Cup car and so on.
If you wanted something to convince you to replace a Boxster Spyder, I don't think such a car exists.
If you wanted something to really knock your socks off compared to a 997.1 GT3, you've got the 997.2 RS or RS 4.0 ... going from a 997.1 GT3 to a .2 RS, I was astonished by the performance of the RS. Again, I don't think there's a car on the planet that will convince an enthusiastic driver to get out of an RS.
As for the measure of the 991, my only reservation is the steering. I didn't buy the thing expecting it to convince me to push the 3.8 RS out to the curb with a "free to good home" sign under the wiper. But I did expect it to be as good or better than the 997.2 as an all-rounder and to that extent, I think the 991 delivers the goods.
I cut it a bit of slack as sort of "version 1" and trust that whatever else is going on at Porsche and VW, the next 991 will be at the very least, incrementally better. As has been noted here by many, until we see this 991 get into a fight, we won't know its true colors. It's going to take a year or two until we see the GT3 and RS variants, the eventual Cup car and so on.
I had a chance to spec a 4.0 but turned it down. Still kicking myself on that one.
The Boxster Spyder is a keeper. Bucket seats and 6speed. Porsche hit a home run with the Spyder.
#38
Rennlist Member
Do a launch and your head will snap back like you've never experienced before.
C&D did a 0-60 in 3.6 seconds . . . thats exciting in my book!
#39
Race Director
I have to admit I have been very pleased with my 991. I even decided to join this forum to discuss the car/porsches with others who are also into the brand. Unfortunately I have to admit that joining this forum was a mistake. All I have read is disdain and venom towards the car I purchased from people who supposedly support the brand. I guess I shouldn't go to any Porsche Club meetings either because I assume I will be ridiculed for my taste in cars from people such as yourself. At least my wife is hot.
Also, since it didn't happen if there are no pictures, how about some shots of the new car and the hot wife? Kidding, just the car, not the wife (unless you want to...... ) Welcome!
#40
I have to admit I have been very pleased with my 991. I even decided to join this forum to discuss the car/porsches with others who are also into the brand. Unfortunately I have to admit that joining this forum was a mistake. All I have read is disdain and venom towards the car I purchased from people who supposedly support the brand. I guess I shouldn't go to any Porsche Club meetings either because I assume I will be ridiculed for my taste in cars from people such as yourself. At least my wife is hot.
#41
Drifting
Thanks for all the kind responses to my concerns. Certainly I understand that everything is subjective and people's tastes vary. I would never let what others think change my perception of how I personally feel about my car. My only complaint so far is that is it in the shop for the recall on the fuel line and they ran our of loaners, so they put me in a freakin minivan rental car. I am trying to post pics, but in my typical idiotic computer way I can't figure it out. However, just picture Guards Red with Black wheels.
#42
I have to admit I have been very pleased with my 991. I even decided to join this forum to discuss the car/porsches with others who are also into the brand. Unfortunately I have to admit that joining this forum was a mistake. All I have read is disdain and venom towards the car I purchased from people who supposedly support the brand. I guess I shouldn't go to any Porsche Club meetings either because I assume I will be ridiculed for my taste in cars from people such as yourself. At least my wife is hot.
Hang in a bit longer these communities once formed are usually very helpful and take some of the argument lightly. No matter what model we discuss there are always people who like it or don't. I figure I paid my money for a car I like. In the end that's what matters.
#43
I have to admit I have been very pleased with my 991. I even decided to join this forum to discuss the car/porsches with others who are also into the brand. Unfortunately I have to admit that joining this forum was a mistake. All I have read is disdain and venom towards the car I purchased from people who supposedly support the brand. I guess I shouldn't go to any Porsche Club meetings either because I assume I will be ridiculed for my taste in cars from people such as yourself. At least my wife is hot.
#44
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I drove one, made the mistake of jumping into my 930 afterwards.
It's a great car, but more of two door panamera than a 911. Might as well put the engine in the front and call it a day.
Great DD, but more numb than my tts, maybe it's just the pdk.
If I were you I'd get a gts, great deals right now too.
c
It's a great car, but more of two door panamera than a 911. Might as well put the engine in the front and call it a day.
Great DD, but more numb than my tts, maybe it's just the pdk.
If I were you I'd get a gts, great deals right now too.
c
#45
I have yet to drive the 991 (I own a 997.2), so I have no first-hand knowledge of how it drives. But for that kind of money, I want something special and unique.
But if it's less 911-like and more mainstream, I might be more inclined to buy, for example, an audi S4 for half the price, or perhaps the next Cayman.
But if it's less 911-like and more mainstream, I might be more inclined to buy, for example, an audi S4 for half the price, or perhaps the next Cayman.