Mike in CA

Regardless of which side of the fence you're on, the repeated put downs of one car or the other and baiting of other members followed by smirking with smiley faces and LOL's seems pretty juvenile. A bunch of supposedly successful adult professionals acting like adolescents is kind of unseemly, IMHO. Typical internet, I suppose, but I thought this forum was a cut above.

So, anyone I've managed not to offend?

sapman

So true. Childish barely covers it.

MJones

Interestingly the 997 stick put down a faster lap than the 991 PDK

tmg57

I guess I am missing something here. I realize that "better" is a relative term that needs to be considered in context. One car may be "better" for family vacations while another may be "better" for off-roading. I would think, however, that if the context involves a racetrack (as in PSDS), the comparison becomes much easier. Assuming the cars are in roughly the same "class" of design and HP, the car that laps the track faster would be "better" in that context. I can't speak from personal experience, but, from what I've read, I doubt that Hurley or any other capable driver would turn faster laps in a 997.2 C2S than in a 991 C2S. Further, it appears that the lady's (sic) 991 is as fast as the track oriented GT3 from the previous generation (at Nurburgring at least).

(posted this before reading MJones post above. Would like more detail on that report).

Waxer

Mike: really? I mean really. With all the crap some who shall go nameless for now dished out in every way as to how and why the 991 was "better in nearly every way" on 997 forums.... because MJ comes in with a thread noting his impressions and the overall consensus and time comparisons and it's somehow wrong to do so?

Why? Is it that the information is not consistent with the party line?

Remember what I said about those Ring times? Well...

Mike in CA

If you're talking about me Waxer, you're going to have to be more specific with examples. The only even remotely negative thing I've ever said about the 997 (I have one remember? best car I've ever owned) is about it's steering at very high speed. I've been positive about the 991 but never put down the 997 or anyone who owns one (lady's car, poser's car, outdated tech, etc) while doing it. I also never said it was wrong to have a differing opinion (there's no "party line" AFAIC) just that the opinion can be expressed without being juvenile or insulting about it. To your example, I disagreed with you about Ring times but didn't put you down over it.

As I said in my post above, it's unfortunate that people on both sides of the fence can't express themselves without devolving to third grade level.

As to Mjones post about a 997 stick being faster than a 991 PDK that's very interesting and surprising since it goes counter to every single test I've seen (admittedly I haven't seen them all) and most agree even a 997 PDK is faster than a 997 stick. More data and information on the circumstances would be worth hearing about.

SSST

I love irony because it just happens. LOL! (that last part is sarcasm, not to be confused with irony)

zanwar

What flavour of 997, GT3 or Carrera?

Alan Smithee

I am the sort to trust a die-hard 911 owner (drives his GT3 cross-country) that is clearly open to the new Porsche way (also owns a Panamera), rather than journalists pampered by manufacturers.

Clearly there are some posting in this thread that are not aware MJones is one of the greatest contributors to this website.

And, yes, it is a fact that Porsche's intention is to increase sports car sales while raising prices, therefore requiring widening of their customer base...which means making sports cars more appealing to women than the fringe enthusiast.

Alan Smithee

I grated my left knee on the track in my 997 every time as well.

Waxer

Mike: not referring to you. You have always been civil.

None of it is serious to me. It's just a car. It only crosses the line when people get personal.

MJones

997 Carrera S 6 speed
...vs...
991 Carrera S PDK

utkinpol

c'mon, Mike, what side, what fence? it is just a car.
there are a lot of people who have their own preferences. there are people who even take RS america or even earlier tub and put 997 cup motor and sequential box into it, just because it feels nicer to their taste. to each his own.

tmg57

Same driver, tires, track condition, etc? If so, is it your conclusion that the 997 S is a faster track car than the 991 S? Is that also the conclusion of the other students and instructors at PSDS?

sapman

That seems to go against a lot of what was written about the 991, but I'd love to hear more about this comparison.