In line for a 991 GT3
03-28-2012, 03:25 PM
#32
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Cool! 
Thanks, rodsky!
I hope the pics and info find their way to the web soon....
Edit: Here....... http://www.pistonheads.com/porsche/d...?storyId=25434
The article mentions PDK and a 4.0L motor!
Thanks, rodsky!
Edit: Here....... http://www.pistonheads.com/porsche/d...?storyId=25434
The article mentions PDK and a 4.0L motor!
Last edited by Mike in CA; 03-28-2012 at 03:41 PM.
03-28-2012, 03:54 PM
#33
Everyone talks so much about Nring lap times, it's gotten to the point of being silly. You probably aren't a racecar driver. Even if you are, these days that says much less about your talent than about your disposable income. That said, if you're concerned about lap times because you're hardcore, why not buy a Radical and stop playing around with street cars marketed at poseurs?
I do not understand why people are so obsessed with pushing the lap times of leather-clad electronic-assisted sunroof GT cars. You can't use any of that performance on the street without endangering yourself and others. Which leaves only the track, where just about any proper track car with even half the power will be faster and more fun.
For the price of a new gt3 you could have a pristine 3.2 carrera for a much more visceral weekend driver, a Radical sr3 that will eat any gt3's lunch on the track, and a nice truck and trailer to tow it with - oh and about $50k cash left over. The only downside is, you miss out on conversations about how many 10ths of a second faster your street car is than some other street car on some distant racetrack you've never seen.
I do not understand why people are so obsessed with pushing the lap times of leather-clad electronic-assisted sunroof GT cars. You can't use any of that performance on the street without endangering yourself and others. Which leaves only the track, where just about any proper track car with even half the power will be faster and more fun.
For the price of a new gt3 you could have a pristine 3.2 carrera for a much more visceral weekend driver, a Radical sr3 that will eat any gt3's lunch on the track, and a nice truck and trailer to tow it with - oh and about $50k cash left over. The only downside is, you miss out on conversations about how many 10ths of a second faster your street car is than some other street car on some distant racetrack you've never seen.
I personally think they are too dangerous - too fast, too flimsy, too much that can go wrong in a shunt.
Frankly I prefer lapping in my road gt3 to a SR3.
Agree with you that racing in 20XX is more about money than talent.
03-28-2012, 03:56 PM
#34
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Mike that first shot in that link is so similar to your C2S. I have never been a used car guy myself but everything changed after I became the custodian of my 3.2. Even the little imperfections on my otherwise pristine classic reminds me that someone really enjoyed this car. Now I lust after buying a well driven and well mainatained example from a Porsche enthusiast. I am now in a mindset where I am in favor of rewarding a Porschephile who gets dinged when he goes to trade in the car. Honestly when there are owners like you, Tony (to name a few), who know how to break in and drive the car like its meant to be why wouldnt I want to assume ownership ?
My next car is a 997GT3RS and as Tony says I will get it when the RS version of the 991 releases. That will give me time to get into RS specs myself.
My next car is a 997GT3RS and as Tony says I will get it when the RS version of the 991 releases. That will give me time to get into RS specs myself.
Last edited by w00tPORSCHE; 03-28-2012 at 04:36 PM.
03-28-2012, 06:09 PM
#35
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Mike that first shot in that link is so similar to your C2S. I have never been a used car guy myself but everything changed after I became the custodian of my 3.2. Even the little imperfections on my otherwise pristine classic reminds me that someone really enjoyed this car. Now I lust after buying a well driven and well mainatained example from a Porsche enthusiast. I am now in a mindset where I am in favor of rewarding a Porschephile who gets dinged when he goes to trade in the car. Honestly when there are owners like you, Tony (to name a few), who know how to break in and drive the car like its meant to be why wouldnt I want to assume ownership ?
My next car is a 997GT3RS and as Tony says I will get it when the RS version of the 991 releases. That will give me time to get into RS specs myself.
My next car is a 997GT3RS and as Tony says I will get it when the RS version of the 991 releases. That will give me time to get into RS specs myself.
03-28-2012, 06:12 PM
#36
Nordschleife Master
Used has a different meaning when buying Porsches (or other special cars), especially significant Porsches. A classic Porsche is only available pre-owned, and some are worth more than current new cars.
03-28-2012, 06:19 PM
#37
Nordschleife Master
I still bet though that when you get to that decision point, you'll think twice. The GT3s are nice, but they are track-oriented cars. If one does not track, a Carrera is a better choice. And there is nothing cheap or less about a Carrera. Horses for courses.
03-29-2012, 12:16 AM
#38
I just think buying a street gt car is a silly choice for the track, but of course to each his own. There is no good compromise for street and track, that's what I've learned. With your prodigious racing experience I'm surprised you haven't come to the same conclusion.
As for your motivations, I don't pretend to know them - my observations were more general, but you chose to take them as a personal critique. Of the 50 or so gt3 owners I've met on and off the track, I'd say my explanation fits the average gt3 owner to a tee. There are exceptions and apparently you are one.
In any case, who cares! I'm sure you'll be happy with it for your purposes, so enjoy it in good health
As for your motivations, I don't pretend to know them - my observations were more general, but you chose to take them as a personal critique. Of the 50 or so gt3 owners I've met on and off the track, I'd say my explanation fits the average gt3 owner to a tee. There are exceptions and apparently you are one.
In any case, who cares! I'm sure you'll be happy with it for your purposes, so enjoy it in good health
03-29-2012, 02:00 AM
#39
Race Director
Thread Starter
As for your motivations, I don't pretend to know them - my observations were more general, but you chose to take them as a personal critique. Of the 50 or so gt3 owners I've met on and off the track, I'd say my explanation fits the average gt3 owner to a tee. There are exceptions and apparently you are one.
Ok, you're confusing me with this passive-aggressive approach. Thanks, I guess.
Last edited by Mike in CA; 03-29-2012 at 01:38 PM.
03-29-2012, 04:47 AM
#40
I just think buying a street gt car is a silly choice for the track, but of course to each his own. There is no good compromise for street and track, that's what I've learned. With your prodigious racing experience I'm surprised you haven't come to the same conclusion.
As for your motivations, I don't pretend to know them - my observations were more general, but you chose to take them as a personal critique. Of the 50 or so gt3 owners I've met on and off the track, I'd say my explanation fits the average gt3 owner to a tee. There are exceptions and apparently you are one.
In any case, who cares! I'm sure you'll be happy with it for your purposes, so enjoy it in good health
As for your motivations, I don't pretend to know them - my observations were more general, but you chose to take them as a personal critique. Of the 50 or so gt3 owners I've met on and off the track, I'd say my explanation fits the average gt3 owner to a tee. There are exceptions and apparently you are one.
In any case, who cares! I'm sure you'll be happy with it for your purposes, so enjoy it in good health
The alternative is a 996 Cup or a 997 Cup. Which is a whole different kettle of fish in terms of maintenance, service, and logistics. Plus I'm not sure why you would buy a race car if you don't plan on racing it, even occasionally. OK you can get different racing machines, but frankly I'm not too interested - my street GT3 is already faster than Clio Cup cars, BMW 3-series race prep, and other "low cost" race cars. And before you go on about the radicals again, I've driven them, raced them, and found them too dangerous.
OTOH, if you are a racer, then having a no-hassle, no-headache, low-cost option (a street GT3) which you can pound around the track for $hits and giggles... thats what I do, and thats what a few people I know do, who are a lot higher up the racing food chain than me.
You ARE right that there is no good compromise for street and track. And you description of GT3 owners is accurate for the most part. But why make an issue out of it? Let them have their fun, let them enjoy their cars. There is a world of difference between the 997.1 and the 997.2, and then between the 997.2 and the 3.8RS. A half decent intermediate would immediately notice the difference. And 99% of ppl out there who track their cars have NO DESIRE to put in the effort and commitment to find the last second or two in their cars; data analysis, laptimers, coaches, hundreds upon hundreds of laps, possible shunts, lots of $$$, and so on.
I know racing is a bit elitist but lay off. I instruct novices who have NEVER been on a track before, and by the end of the day they are already planning their F1 careers. Its great to see people have so much fun!
That IS what this is all about right? Driving around in circles, over and over and over again wouldn't be appealing if it wasn't FUN.
03-29-2012, 12:32 PM
#41
Three Wheelin'
03-29-2012, 05:34 PM
#43
The one you want is the 997.2 RS. There are many great cars to be had. Their history is known and there are plenty of mechanic specialists to fully vet the car. Any cosmetic blemish, scuffs, worn seats etc., can easily be taken care of.
I still bet though that when you get to that decision point, you'll think twice. The GT3s are nice, but they are track-oriented cars. If one does not track, a Carrera is a better choice. And there is nothing cheap or less about a Carrera. Horses for courses.
I still bet though that when you get to that decision point, you'll think twice. The GT3s are nice, but they are track-oriented cars. If one does not track, a Carrera is a better choice. And there is nothing cheap or less about a Carrera. Horses for courses.
03-29-2012, 11:10 PM
#44
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Mike good luck with the transaction and hopefully the new 991 GT3 is everything you are looking for and more. Worst case scenario I guess you could always hunt down a 997.2 GT3 garage queen, I'm sure they will exist when you're ready.
I would agree that a GT3 would make a perfect street car for anyone wanting less gadgets and electronics and the more visceral experience even on the street.
I would agree that a GT3 would make a perfect street car for anyone wanting less gadgets and electronics and the more visceral experience even on the street.
03-29-2012, 11:42 PM
#45
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Mike good luck with the transaction and hopefully the new 991 GT3 is everything you are looking for and more. Worst case scenario I guess you could always hunt down a 997.2 GT3 garage queen, I'm sure they will exist when you're ready.
I would agree that a GT3 would make a perfect street car for anyone wanting less gadgets and electronics and the more visceral experience even on the street.
I would agree that a GT3 would make a perfect street car for anyone wanting less gadgets and electronics and the more visceral experience even on the street.