Disappointed - No Emotion
02-28-2012, 03:58 PM
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I'm even considering a 993 since I never owned one and like everyone love the look but my Porsche mechanic warned me not to since I drive 12K to 15K a year. He said it's old and things will go.......like me!
I'm old enough to know when I want something and when I don't!
I'm old enough to know when I want something and when I don't!
02-28-2012, 09:44 PM
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02-29-2012, 02:10 AM
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Oh dear. It really sucks when someone posts something embarrassing and then someone else quotes it in a reply post so there's no way for the first person to go back and delete it ... : ) ... the next time someone laughs in your face, you'll know "oh yeah, that damn post about the 993 looking dating ... "
The response you're eliciting is "Bwa ha ha haaa" ...
To paraphrase Loudon Wainwright ...
"masterstroke" ... guffaw, guffaw, guffaw ...
"bridge old and new" ... yuck, yuck, yuck ...
"never look dated" ... chortle, chortle, chortle ...
The 964 bumpers are about as "timeless" as a Swatch watch. I miss my '94 RS America and rue the day I sold it to make way for a 993 Turbo, but I never lost sight of the fact those bumpers were not its finest feature.
I read the thread description about "no emotion" and I thought "this guy's off his rocker..." but you're quite right in terms of the visual-emotional aspect. I still find my 993 (wide body, polar silver metallic) to offer a more visual car and driving it more physical than any of the 996 or 997 GT3 and RS (and I've prepared and tracked 'em all for years, each.)
The 997 is "okay" in appearance, inside and out. But in the driving of it, I think it's too early to say. Until drivers get months of road driving and days of track driving, it's too early to say. If anything, my first impression, after just half a day with a 991 S, was encouraging.
The response you're eliciting is "Bwa ha ha haaa" ...
To paraphrase Loudon Wainwright ...
"masterstroke" ... guffaw, guffaw, guffaw ...
"bridge old and new" ... yuck, yuck, yuck ...
"never look dated" ... chortle, chortle, chortle ...
The 964 bumpers are about as "timeless" as a Swatch watch. I miss my '94 RS America and rue the day I sold it to make way for a 993 Turbo, but I never lost sight of the fact those bumpers were not its finest feature.
I read the thread description about "no emotion" and I thought "this guy's off his rocker..." but you're quite right in terms of the visual-emotional aspect. I still find my 993 (wide body, polar silver metallic) to offer a more visual car and driving it more physical than any of the 996 or 997 GT3 and RS (and I've prepared and tracked 'em all for years, each.)
The 997 is "okay" in appearance, inside and out. But in the driving of it, I think it's too early to say. Until drivers get months of road driving and days of track driving, it's too early to say. If anything, my first impression, after just half a day with a 991 S, was encouraging.
03-01-2012, 10:17 PM
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I kind of have to agree with the OP. I was looking forward to the 991, but after seeing a couple, I have to say I'm a bit disappointed.
It's a good looking car to be sure, but there is nothing distinctive about it. It is recognizable as a 911, but has somehow lost some of the 911 character. In thinking about it, I think it's the longer wheelbase. I know that has some driving dynamics advantages, but it causes it to lose something aesthetically.
Also, the switch gear on the console is straight from my VW CC company car. For $100K+? Come on man!
Maybe the Turbo and GT models will be more inspired. .
It's still a great car. It just hasn't grown on me yet.
BTW. The 964 Turbo is one of the best looking cars ever. IMO.
It's a good looking car to be sure, but there is nothing distinctive about it. It is recognizable as a 911, but has somehow lost some of the 911 character. In thinking about it, I think it's the longer wheelbase. I know that has some driving dynamics advantages, but it causes it to lose something aesthetically.
Also, the switch gear on the console is straight from my VW CC company car. For $100K+? Come on man!
Maybe the Turbo and GT models will be more inspired. .
It's still a great car. It just hasn't grown on me yet.
BTW. The 964 Turbo is one of the best looking cars ever. IMO.
03-02-2012, 03:51 AM
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Had my 991S for a day now.
The more I drive it the more I love it. First 30 mins I was a bit underwhelmed but this car, with its multiple personality, is a car you need to take time to get to know. Makes car more satisfying - everytime I drive it I learn something new.
Don't agree with SSST re the internals. Quality significantly better and the electronics make a 997 look like an antique!
As an all in one car it is absolutely sensational. There is nothing comparable?
I had 2011 GTR before but so one dimensional. Lousy ride, noisy tyres - a big heavy brute of a car albeit fantastically fast.
The more I drive it the more I love it. First 30 mins I was a bit underwhelmed but this car, with its multiple personality, is a car you need to take time to get to know. Makes car more satisfying - everytime I drive it I learn something new.
Don't agree with SSST re the internals. Quality significantly better and the electronics make a 997 look like an antique!
As an all in one car it is absolutely sensational. There is nothing comparable?
I had 2011 GTR before but so one dimensional. Lousy ride, noisy tyres - a big heavy brute of a car albeit fantastically fast.
03-02-2012, 08:37 AM
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I kind of have to agree with the OP. I was looking forward to the 991, but after seeing a couple, I have to say I'm a bit disappointed.
It's a good looking car to be sure, but there is nothing distinctive about it. It is recognizable as a 911, but has somehow lost some of the 911 character. In thinking about it, I think it's the longer wheelbase. I know that has some driving dynamics advantages, but it causes it to lose something aesthetically.
Also, the switch gear on the console is straight from my VW CC company car. For $100K+? Come on man!
Maybe the Turbo and GT models will be more inspired. .
It's still a great car. It just hasn't grown on me yet.
BTW. The 964 Turbo is one of the best looking cars ever. IMO.
It's a good looking car to be sure, but there is nothing distinctive about it. It is recognizable as a 911, but has somehow lost some of the 911 character. In thinking about it, I think it's the longer wheelbase. I know that has some driving dynamics advantages, but it causes it to lose something aesthetically.
Also, the switch gear on the console is straight from my VW CC company car. For $100K+? Come on man!
Maybe the Turbo and GT models will be more inspired. .
It's still a great car. It just hasn't grown on me yet.
BTW. The 964 Turbo is one of the best looking cars ever. IMO.
03-02-2012, 12:02 PM
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Don't mind me. I'm becoming an antique myself. We antiques have to stick together.
BTW. I didn't say the switch gear was ugly. It's not. I said it was the same switch gear you find in a VW. Which is true. The switch gear in my 996 is ugly, but at least it's unique to the car.
BTW. I didn't say the switch gear was ugly. It's not. I said it was the same switch gear you find in a VW. Which is true. The switch gear in my 996 is ugly, but at least it's unique to the car.
03-02-2012, 01:02 PM
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Had my 991S for a day now.
The more I drive it the more I love it. First 30 mins I was a bit underwhelmed but this car, with its multiple personality, is a car you need to take time to get to know. Makes car more satisfying - everytime I drive it I learn something new.
Don't agree with SSST re the internals. Quality significantly better and the electronics make a 997 look like an antique!
As an all in one car it is absolutely sensational. There is nothing comparable?
I had 2011 GTR before but so one dimensional. Lousy ride, noisy tyres - a big heavy brute of a car albeit fantastically fast.
The more I drive it the more I love it. First 30 mins I was a bit underwhelmed but this car, with its multiple personality, is a car you need to take time to get to know. Makes car more satisfying - everytime I drive it I learn something new.
Don't agree with SSST re the internals. Quality significantly better and the electronics make a 997 look like an antique!
As an all in one car it is absolutely sensational. There is nothing comparable?
I had 2011 GTR before but so one dimensional. Lousy ride, noisy tyres - a big heavy brute of a car albeit fantastically fast.
Congrats on your purchase.
Very interested in your feelings from the Gtr to the 991S if it's not too off topic.
Thanks
03-04-2012, 12:53 PM
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The 991 looks great.
To the general public it looks the same as the 997.
Im most likely going to have one in some sort of trim.
We wont know how better or worse they are compared to the 997 until the 991 get close to the end of their warranty period.
To the general public it looks the same as the 997.
Im most likely going to have one in some sort of trim.
We wont know how better or worse they are compared to the 997 until the 991 get close to the end of their warranty period.
03-04-2012, 03:14 PM
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The 991 only starts shifting at around 7K rpm and then not as fast as GTR.
So performance wise no contest.
Slightly more rear seat space and much bigger boot.
Also the GTR attracts more attention is you want that. The 991 is just yet another 911.
In every other respect the 991 better. Better ride, less tyre roar, more nimble, more adjustable, more interesting engine, better steering (the GTR tramelines a lot)
But above all, somehow the GTR lacks character. I had my GTR (the 530 bhp version) a year and never once felt any real emotion other that **** me, that was fast!!
I loved my 991 after one day! With sports plus (you need sport chrono option) and sports exhaust switched on it's sensational.
03-05-2012, 04:24 AM
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I'm with you. The white car looks like something heavy was dropped on its roof. Flattened and lengthened in one move. Saw one at the dealership and felt the same way. Disappointing. My warranty runs out in December and I wanted to like this but I don't.
