Has anyone heard the base Stereo ?
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I wonder how many folks with ultra-high end audio systems at home will actually opt for the base system rather than the premium systems. Perhaps it is the realization that no car audio can ever match the kind of sound one can get from their audiophile home system. By the same token, for someone who has a not so great audio system at home, the premium audio options in the car may sound much better than what they are used to.
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Was in 911 last week.......turned the radio on, etc.......The base system sounds as good as any system in a luxury car straight from manufacturer.................the small cabin only needs the base system and with the windows down was still quite good......use dollars on other things in life........
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I wonder how many folks with ultra-high end audio systems at home will actually opt for the base system rather than the premium systems. Perhaps it is the realization that no car audio can ever match the kind of sound one can get from their audiophile home system. By the same token, for someone who has a not so great audio system at home, the premium audio options in the car may sound much better than what they are used to.
Klipsch RF-7 II Speaker System
SVS PB13 Ultra Sub X2
Yamaha RX-A3010 Pre Amp/Zone 2&3 control/zone 3 amp
Outlaw Audio 7900 7 Channel Amp
Oppo BDP-95 Blu-ray
Sharp 80" Aquos
About $20K total. Certainly not ultra high end, but does what I want.
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Your point is well taken, but in this case it's the listening environment that's the culprit. The Burmester is an excellent system, but a sports car with an 84db ambient noise level @ 70mph (as measured by R&T) is a far from ideal place to listen to audio. There's just no way around that fact. Personally I'd spend my money elsewhere, but TEHO.
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I wonder how many folks with ultra-high end audio systems at home will actually opt for the base system rather than the premium systems. Perhaps it is the realization that no car audio can ever match the kind of sound one can get from their audiophile home system. By the same token, for someone who has a not so great audio system at home, the premium audio options in the car may sound much better than what they are used to.
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I think if the car is a daily driver, the stereo choice is more important. If the 911 is a weekend toy, the stereo may not be as important...
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Your point is well taken, but in this case it's the listening environment that's the culprit. The Burmester is an excellent system, but a sports car with an 84db ambient noise level @ 70mph (as measured by R&T) is a far from ideal place to listen to audio. There's just no way around that fact. Personally I'd spend my money elsewhere, but TEHO.
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Look, getting Burmester equipment for $5K is probably a bargain in one sense. OTOH a 70-75db ambient noise level is enough to mask a lot of the nuance of the sound from that equipment, and is a level of background noise that would be intolerable in your listening room. Not to mention the fact that most of the program sources available in your car are not going to come close to what you can listen to at home (no vinyl!)
I've been an an audio junkie for 45 years, but I just couldn't justify spending the money for the Burmester in my Cayenne, which is considerably quieter than the Carrera. To the initial point raised in this thread, is the Burmester a better system than the base or Bose systems? Yes. Are you going to be able to hear a $3-5K difference? In my opinion, in a moving sports car, no. I think that's something to reasonably consider for someone deciding how to spend their budget on options for a new 991. If money's no object, knock yourself out!
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Interesting, and maybe you have a point about the 84db number. So let's say the 75db C&D number is closer to the real interior noise level. You can find db noise level examples easily with a quick google search; 2 that I saw in a couple of places for 75db were a toilet flushing and a vacuum cleaner at 1 meter. More to the point is the example of my own 997.2 S with PDK and PSE. At 70mph in 7th gear it's barely turning 2k rpm but the interior noise from wind and tires, exhaust and engine is still considerable. The 991 may be quieter but it's not going to come close to what could reasonably be called a quiet listening environment by audiophile standards.
Look, getting Burmester equipment for $5K is probably a bargain in one sense. OTOH a 70-75db ambient noise level is enough to mask a lot of the nuance of the sound from that equipment, and is a level of background noise that would be intolerable in your listening room. Not to mention the fact that most of the program sources available in your car are not going to come close to what you can listen to at home (no vinyl!)
I've been an an audio junkie for 45 years, but I just couldn't justify spending the money for the Burmester in my Cayenne, which is considerably quieter than the Carrera. To the initial point raised in this thread, is the Burmester a better system than the base or Bose systems? Yes. Are you going to be able to hear a $3-5K difference? In my opinion, in a moving sports car, no. I think that's something to reasonably consider for someone deciding how to spend their budget on options for a new 991. If money's no object, knock yourself out!
Look, getting Burmester equipment for $5K is probably a bargain in one sense. OTOH a 70-75db ambient noise level is enough to mask a lot of the nuance of the sound from that equipment, and is a level of background noise that would be intolerable in your listening room. Not to mention the fact that most of the program sources available in your car are not going to come close to what you can listen to at home (no vinyl!)
I've been an an audio junkie for 45 years, but I just couldn't justify spending the money for the Burmester in my Cayenne, which is considerably quieter than the Carrera. To the initial point raised in this thread, is the Burmester a better system than the base or Bose systems? Yes. Are you going to be able to hear a $3-5K difference? In my opinion, in a moving sports car, no. I think that's something to reasonably consider for someone deciding how to spend their budget on options for a new 991. If money's no object, knock yourself out!
What I really think this makes clear is the need for PSE. If you don't get PSE on this car, it's going to be disappointingly quiet. Obviously this is why Porsche had to develop the Sound Symposer for the 991. If it's a budget choice between getting one of the audio system upgrades or getting the PSE, I would say get the PSE. Even though I love music, I would still put the PSE first on my priorities list.
Then I would prioritize based on how you listen to music and your budget. If you just listen to talk radio or like to have music on in the background, the base system is more than adequate. If you like to rock out, buy the best you can afford out of the Bose and Burmi.
I'm glad I really researched this because I was actually still questioning my PSE purchase and now I have no doubt it's a necessity.
I'm still trying to find out what type of DACS the Burmi runs.