View Poll Results: Which Transmission would you pick, (not taking into account cost or "launch control")
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Poll: 7 Speed Manual vs. 7 Speed "Manual" with PDK
#31
Rennlist Member
PDK for me. My spec racer ford gives me enough time with a clutch to really enjoy the technology of PDK.
#34
100% manual for me. I remember back in the days when driving a manual was a must on a sports car, a form of art to be able to drive it well that separated those who can drive stick and those who can't. Technology is slowly making this distinction irrelevant and removing this once-sacred human driving attribute. Sad.
#35
Burning Brakes
100% manual for me. I remember back in the days when driving a manual was a must on a sports car, a form of art to be able to drive it well that separated those who can drive stick and those who can't. Technology is slowly making this distinction irrelevant and removing this once-sacred human driving attribute. Sad.
#36
100% manual for me. I remember back in the days when driving a manual was a must on a sports car, a form of art to be able to drive it well that separated those who can drive stick and those who can't. Technology is slowly making this distinction irrelevant and removing this once-sacred human driving attribute. Sad.
Maybe when cars were slow people needed to feel like they were doing more down the long straights, but modern cars compress the straights so much, it just becomes busy work. Try racing shifter karts for a couple of years shifting 40 times in a 49 second lap and then see if you still miss shifting gears!
All in my humble opinion of course. If you still want to shift it, I'm glad Porsche still gives you the choice.
#37
I think there is a difference between between loss of a crank starter versus loss of a true manual. The former adds zero to the driving experience or one's connectivity with the car, while the latter is an extension of the driving experience you get when you engage behind the wheel. I would classify the loss of the crank starter in the same class as the loss of the roll-up windows, or the addition of airbags. If i were to track my Porsche, the PDK would be a no-brainer.
#38
What part of driving is left to "driving"?
100% manual for me. I remember back in the days when driving a manual was a must on a sports car, a form of art to be able to drive it well that separated those who can drive stick and those who can't. Technology is slowly making this distinction irrelevant and removing this once-sacred human driving attribute. Sad.
So...when we're ready for "the i Pad"(aka 'computer") to drive our cars.....we all cool with that. Hopefully we'll soon be able to "drop out car in a slot" and be able to read a book while we're out in traffic. But...fortunately the brilliant engineers from Porsche and Honda built my 05 Carerra GT and S2000 with 'controls' that make me feel engaged in the adventure. Interesting....my everyday 2010 ISF gets engaged only after the push of a button on the dash to disengage all traction controls with "the beast" in manual (aka paddle) mode.....when I want to "foget about driving and attentive driving".....I ride the train to work
#41
I'm taking delivery of my 9th Porsche in a couple of weeks, having ordered a 50th Anniversary with a manual (I'll post specs and pics upon arrival). My last Porsche was a 2011 997 TTS, so a PDK. It was fantastic. My choice for the manual is simply my preference for how I want to control the car. But it really does come down to what the driver likes because both of these transmissions and are fun in their own way.
#42
It's no more sad to me than the loss of the crank starter. Once you can do it, there isn't much too it. I think the loss of the manual transmission is way over hyped.
Maybe when cars were slow people needed to feel like they were doing more down the long straights, but modern cars compress the straights so much, it just becomes busy work. Try racing shifter karts for a couple of years shifting 40 times in a 49 second lap and then see if you still miss shifting gears!
All in my humble opinion of course. If you still want to shift it, I'm glad Porsche still gives you the choice.
Maybe when cars were slow people needed to feel like they were doing more down the long straights, but modern cars compress the straights so much, it just becomes busy work. Try racing shifter karts for a couple of years shifting 40 times in a 49 second lap and then see if you still miss shifting gears!
All in my humble opinion of course. If you still want to shift it, I'm glad Porsche still gives you the choice.
2) Do you drive on normal roads, or just the track? If I compressed street driving the way you're suggesting, I'd quickly have no license and not worry about manual or PDK. If you're not constantly on the edge and looking for the best line (into oncoming traffic), you probably have time to shift yourself. No argument that PDK frees you up to focus on other bits, it just depends on whether you are doing a lot of driving where you want that freedom.
Anyway, I obviously went with a manual. Seems to be disappearing from the sports car landscape which is really sad, is more engaging for the driving I do, and as CBejbl mentioned above having other stick shifts in the garage, I already have automatics and didn't want another. And no, I don't consider flipping a selector to 'manual' and clicking buttons to be manual shifting - it's computer override, or more accurately 'shift hint' mode since it won't let you screw up either. Of course, maybe that's my cynicism from clicking buttons at work and not wanting that in my fun car.
YMMV, or course.
#43
Manuals are far more fun to drive on the street. Just turn off that start/stop nanny and I'm in motor heaven.
PDK is great, but less engaging and one step closer to Google cars driving themselves. I'll pass.
PDK is great, but less engaging and one step closer to Google cars driving themselves. I'll pass.
#44
Rennlist Member