Winding Road 991 review
11-30-2011, 03:38 PM
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Winding Road 991 review
http://www.windingroad.com/articles/...content=WR76+3
Check out this link for an interesting 991 review.......
Check out this link for an interesting 991 review.......
Last edited by Mike in CA; 12-02-2011 at 11:24 PM.
11-30-2011, 03:55 PM
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http://www.windingroad.com/articles/...content=WR76+3
These are the moments that wreak such havoc among the armies of purists, and are, therefore, always the most fun times to be a car addict.
These are the moments that wreak such havoc among the armies of purists, and are, therefore, always the most fun times to be a car addict.
11-30-2011, 06:59 PM
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This says it all:
"... The vast majority of drivers of 911s have not been the types of people to really get the most out of their car when confronted with a twisty, sunny, country two-lane. Rarely do they ever really take the engine up to the 7000-plus rpm zone. The majority love the 911 in little moments of gusto between traffic lights, and love the storied image a 911 brings to the minds of all of us. ..."
... and that's why the 991 is what it is.
"... The vast majority of drivers of 911s have not been the types of people to really get the most out of their car when confronted with a twisty, sunny, country two-lane. Rarely do they ever really take the engine up to the 7000-plus rpm zone. The majority love the 911 in little moments of gusto between traffic lights, and love the storied image a 911 brings to the minds of all of us. ..."
... and that's why the 991 is what it is.
11-30-2011, 10:44 PM
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This says it all:
"... The vast majority of drivers of 911s have not been the types of people to really get the most out of their car when confronted with a twisty, sunny, country two-lane. Rarely do they ever really take the engine up to the 7000-plus rpm zone. The majority love the 911 in little moments of gusto between traffic lights, and love the storied image a 911 brings to the minds of all of us. ..."
... and that's why the 991 is what it is.
"... The vast majority of drivers of 911s have not been the types of people to really get the most out of their car when confronted with a twisty, sunny, country two-lane. Rarely do they ever really take the engine up to the 7000-plus rpm zone. The majority love the 911 in little moments of gusto between traffic lights, and love the storied image a 911 brings to the minds of all of us. ..."
... and that's why the 991 is what it is.
11-30-2011, 11:49 PM
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This says it all:
"... The vast majority of drivers of 911s have not been the types of people to really get the most out of their car when confronted with a twisty, sunny, country two-lane. Rarely do they ever really take the engine up to the 7000-plus rpm zone. The majority love the 911 in little moments of gusto between traffic lights, and love the storied image a 911 brings to the minds of all of us. ..."
... and that's why the 991 is what it is.
"... The vast majority of drivers of 911s have not been the types of people to really get the most out of their car when confronted with a twisty, sunny, country two-lane. Rarely do they ever really take the engine up to the 7000-plus rpm zone. The majority love the 911 in little moments of gusto between traffic lights, and love the storied image a 911 brings to the minds of all of us. ..."
... and that's why the 991 is what it is.
11-30-2011, 11:55 PM
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Which could have been written in 1969, 1974, 1978, 1989, or 1999, to point out other major developments (read: softening) of the 911 platform. I've come up through every evolution of 911s, granted when they are all about 10 years old, and absent the air cooled-based-water cooleds this is the only "plain" new 911 in 30 years since the SC that I'm intrigued by. Won't buy one--have dumped GT3RS money the past three months into the repossession of the business I'm now back operating. But I'm an interested observer.
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12-01-2011, 12:08 AM
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Which could have been written in 1969, 1974, 1978, 1989, or 1999, to point out other major developments (read: softening) of the 911 platform. I've come up through every evolution of 911s, granted when they are all about 10 years old, and absent the air cooled-based-water cooleds this is the only "plain" new 911 in 30 years since the SC that I'm intrigued by. Won't buy one--have dumped GT3RS money the past three months into the repossession of the business I'm now back operating. But I'm an interested observer.
As an enthusiast, are you excited about:
- a longer WB (if you liked the 911 pendulum sig)?
- an electrically-assisted steering that according to its design actually drives itself?
- 20" rims?
- a button-operated e-brake?
- shielded engine access?
- a major increase in electronic control?
All of the above, are there to make the 991 easier to drive. I do not think you need that...
12-01-2011, 12:22 AM
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Thanks. When I post a goofy photo on the 993 Forum with a trailer attached to the 4S (instead of in-the-snow pictures from going skiing/boarding last season--IF we get snow) to use it as a part-time vending delivery vehicle because I'm sick and tired of driving a 4X4 crew cab 3K miles a month you'll know I've lost it...............
Well, let's compare a '68 to a '69. Yep, lengthened wheelbase is a plus. Oh, and that companion case of 7" rear wheels attached to a '73 RS (but more appropriately linked to the '70ST?) did wonders.
I think the power steering on the '89 C4 was End Of Days, if I recall correctly at my advanced age.
Large(r) wheels like those evil 16" ones that came on the Oh-My-God-It's-Got-TWOHUNDREDFORTYHORSEPOWER '76 930s? Just before my time, but I do remember chatter about how those 50 series P7s wouldn't hold up to common road use.
E brake? Are you f______ kidding? Who cares, as long as it works. I'm not (at least anymore) using a 911 for rallying. (First body damage I did to my '68 when I was 19 was trying to emulate John Buffum's exploits in ralllying a '73 RS. Amazingly, it was front fender damage, and not stuffing the *** into a hillside on dirt.)
Engine access? I'm sure it all comes off easily. I no longer work on these professionally; I open the engine lid on the 4S about once a year. On the yellow car, sure before every track day. Mainly to check nitrogen pressure on the shock cannisters though.
And advances in electronic control probably came with the introduction of the 911 itself, in that it had a 12 volt electrical system. Ever live with a 356 (or Bug) 6 volt system? If not, how about the CD ignitions retrofitted almost instantly to the earliest models (especially the '67 S) because of holed pistons due to plug fouling?
This all just off the top of my head..............
All that is true, to a degree, but it does not make me wrong above.
As an enthusiast, are you excited about:
- a longer WB (if you liked the 911 pendulum sig)?
- an electrically-assisted steering that according to its design actually drives itself?
- 20" rims?
- a button-operated e-brake?
- shielded engine access?
- a major increase in electronic control?
All of the above, are there to make the 991 easier to drive. I do not think you need that...
As an enthusiast, are you excited about:
- a longer WB (if you liked the 911 pendulum sig)?
- an electrically-assisted steering that according to its design actually drives itself?
- 20" rims?
- a button-operated e-brake?
- shielded engine access?
- a major increase in electronic control?
All of the above, are there to make the 991 easier to drive. I do not think you need that...
I think the power steering on the '89 C4 was End Of Days, if I recall correctly at my advanced age.
Large(r) wheels like those evil 16" ones that came on the Oh-My-God-It's-Got-TWOHUNDREDFORTYHORSEPOWER '76 930s? Just before my time, but I do remember chatter about how those 50 series P7s wouldn't hold up to common road use.
E brake? Are you f______ kidding? Who cares, as long as it works. I'm not (at least anymore) using a 911 for rallying. (First body damage I did to my '68 when I was 19 was trying to emulate John Buffum's exploits in ralllying a '73 RS. Amazingly, it was front fender damage, and not stuffing the *** into a hillside on dirt.)
Engine access? I'm sure it all comes off easily. I no longer work on these professionally; I open the engine lid on the 4S about once a year. On the yellow car, sure before every track day. Mainly to check nitrogen pressure on the shock cannisters though.
And advances in electronic control probably came with the introduction of the 911 itself, in that it had a 12 volt electrical system. Ever live with a 356 (or Bug) 6 volt system? If not, how about the CD ignitions retrofitted almost instantly to the earliest models (especially the '67 S) because of holed pistons due to plug fouling?
This all just off the top of my head..............
12-01-2011, 12:31 AM
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12-01-2011, 01:03 AM
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All that is true, to a degree, but it does not make me wrong above.
As an enthusiast, are you excited about:
- a longer WB (if you liked the 911 pendulum sig)?
- an electrically-assisted steering that according to its design actually drives itself?
- 20" rims?
- a button-operated e-brake?
- shielded engine access?
- a major increase in electronic control?
All of the above, are there to make the 991 easier to drive. I do not think you need that...
As an enthusiast, are you excited about:
- a longer WB (if you liked the 911 pendulum sig)?
- an electrically-assisted steering that according to its design actually drives itself?
- 20" rims?
- a button-operated e-brake?
- shielded engine access?
- a major increase in electronic control?
All of the above, are there to make the 991 easier to drive. I do not think you need that...
12-01-2011, 01:58 AM
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12-01-2011, 04:45 AM
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All that is true, to a degree, but it does not make me wrong above.
As an enthusiast, are you excited about:
- a longer WB (if you liked the 911 pendulum sig)?
- an electrically-assisted steering that according to its design actually drives itself?
- 20" rims?
- a button-operated e-brake?
- shielded engine access?
- a major increase in electronic control?
All of the above, are there to make the 991 easier to drive. I do not think you need that...
As an enthusiast, are you excited about:
- a longer WB (if you liked the 911 pendulum sig)?
- an electrically-assisted steering that according to its design actually drives itself?
- 20" rims?
- a button-operated e-brake?
- shielded engine access?
- a major increase in electronic control?
All of the above, are there to make the 991 easier to drive. I do not think you need that...
On track I might enjoy/benefit from longer and wider body, but the loss of pendulum feel makes this a different handling car, so less of a 911. All other items above are absolutely not necessary or have any benefit whatsoever in a sports car! I bet Porsche dealer are in LOVE with 991, as ANY engine maintenance/service would bring them much more $$.
12-01-2011, 11:30 AM
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I don't know why people stress about this. They built LOTS of 997s so there are plenty to choose from;-)