Zeus993

Just drop in the PCCB option with the C ... I am thinking this is the way to go. 20" wheels? Come on! The ride with 19" is harsh enough at city speeds. I considered going 18" at one time. I agree with a fully optioned out C (with the PCCB) will be an awesome car. The HP:Wt ratio is higher in the 991C than with the 997.1 CS so the performance will be there.

Thundertub

Carrera S for the track? I think not. Cayman R for the track.

So get the base Carrera and have fun with the options list.

zizu

Base Carrera with PCCBs, no sunroof, hopefully bucket seats (if they become available) and minimum options. Once you get it, go with after market coil overs. Would be fun...

racer

Why the "S"? Ego.. Real track fans will get a GT3/GT2 anyway. S is a stop gap for posuers Besides, porsche knows HP sells their cars. And some folks always want to pay a little more for bragging rights, even if in the "real world" there is no real advantage.

BlueRiver86

Would you really want to track it with 20" wheels?

911dev

^^^ Agreed, Cayman R or better yet GT3/RS for the track.

Why would anyone waste $8,900 for PCCBs on a base Carrera? If tracking one is usually better off with the cast iron rotors and $9k for less brake dust doesn't really cut it for me. If you are going to dump that kind of dough on a Carrera then use it towards the S.

The base Carrera sits too high (the S is 20mm lower with SPASM ~ which is the only way I'd order the car. That same option is much more costly on the base making it cost effective to move to the S.), lacks LSD, smaller brakes, narrower tires, less power, much less torque, only weighs about 30 lbs less, too name a few differences. Maybe some should be looking at a Panamera instead if the ride is so important. This is a sports car, right?!

I also don't understand the previously posted infatuation with the 3.4 pumping out 350 HP. The current 3.8 or 997 3.8 X51 made more HP per liter than the 991 3.4 does.

The base is ready to go anyway, imo. Porsche very well may be positioning this space for a proper Cayman. Get rid of the base Carrera, make the S the the entry level 911 and give the Cayman what it needs.

spourreza

This is a pretty weak argument. I pushed both cars to the limit (well, with my abilities) on several tracks. At 120/mph, you cant tell the difference in a Base or S - trust me. Unless you are in a GT2, 3 or Turbo, the delta between the base and S model can be accounted for by the driver's skills. From performance standpoint, all the comes down to 0.2 seconds faster in a 0-62. Big deal. This is a circular argument. If you are worried about tire size, then get 19s like I did. Using your rationale, one can argue that Porsche should stop the base and S model and just build a GTS and higher and increase the Cayman (maybe call it a Cayman Turbo to fill the gap of the Carrera line). No need for the S model with the GTS, right?

911dev

Hardly a weak argument. Driver skill is relative. Apples to Apples not Apples to Bananas. At 120 you can't tell the difference, where? An in-gear run, getting to 120, I doubt it. 50 HP and 38 or so ft/lbs (991S over the 991) is a lot.

As I have stated before 0-60/62 times are meaningless. The rags have created the buzz over these times and manufacturers have followed. If one really wants to compare acceleration times they should use 0-100, in-gear 5-100, 120, etc... The good old 1/4 mile will tell so much more about a cars acceleration numbers than the ridiculous 0-60. For the street, in-gear or roll-ons are obviously the best. The 991 S will "walk" a base 991 Carrera in any test.

You brought up the 0-60 delta of .02. According to Porsche it is .03, either way it is rather meaningless. However, when you really consider the fact that in as little time as it is required to get to 60/62 one car gains .03 over another really hints to another story.

I also don't understand your GTS theory. There is no 991 GTS and likely won't be until the end of the 991 run.

Most Porsche buyers have a very discerning eye or simply too much money and need to show off. For the former, the subtleties are what really define the car. The S has those.

Tacet-Conundrum

The Cayman, and Boxster too, are not options for us taller folks!

911dev

Although I am height challenged I understand. That what GT3s and RSs are for!

alexb76

I forgot a HUGE positive of Carrera... it COMES with 19inch!

jason74

The C2 seems to be everything that a 911 needs to be. The C2S is built by P to run up the price to generate more revenue.

Anyone notice that the 19" and 20" rims are now both 11" wide? They have just put on different width tires. Easy upgrade to get the 19" with wider tires!

Tacet-Conundrum

I was very disappointed when I found out the Cayman couldn't fit my 6'5" frame. Sometimes I feel so damn tall.

alexb76

Totally agreed! PCCB is a lot of money and not necessarily good for tracking and I doubt ANYONE can reach the limits of steel brakes on street!

911dev

You may feel that the C2 is all that a 911 needs to be but many do not, including me. Where do you draw the line as to what a 911 should be?

Yes, Porsche does create the S to generate more profit. Nothing shocking there. The S, however, adds so many options for the delta over the C2 that it is actually a value if one desires some or all of the Ss standard equipment. And, the S does offer several desirable options. If the word "value" can ever be used in the same sentence with the word "Porsche", then the S/C2 comparison would apply. The same could be said for the 997 GTS over the 997 S.

The engine (the added torque alone makes it better suited for its intended purpose, the street), bigger brakes w/6pistons up frt, PASM w/lower ride height and wider tires (fore and aft) alone make the price of admission worth it, imo. I may believe that I prefer the 19" wheels but I am not passing judgement until I test drive one. There are some very fast sports cars which easily out preform the S which come with 20s.