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Any sureshot way of knowing a car was used as a PEC car?
Looking to buy a CPO 991 and the Carfax shows a Porsche dealer as the first line item in the Carfax says "Offered for sale but mileage is around 4960". No record before that. So it was first sold as a CPO with 4960 miles. Asked the dealer and the sales manager says it was likely an exec car or demo. I point blank asked him if he could rule out it was a PEC and he said there was no way for them to tell which I say is BS.
The car has low miles (10k) and otherwise checks out as its' flawless inside and out, no sign of wear on seats or any scratches or dings outside. But wanted to know if there is a way to confirm the history and would you buy it knowing it saw PEC first 5k miles?
Where was the vehicle serviced during the first 5k miles and what was included? Some of tthe PEC cars indicate tire and brake fluid replacement earlier than regular use 911s.
Where was the vehicle serviced during the first 5k miles and what was included? Some of tthe PEC cars indicate tire and brake fluid replacement earlier than regular use 911s.
There is no record before the first 5k miles. Carfax and service records start at 5k at the original dealer.
There is no record before the first 5k miles. Carfax and service records start at 5k at the original dealer.
I was looking at a different brand this past weekend and their loaner cars get used for 90 days / 3K miles but are never titled. They are then offered for sale as new (with a discount) and the warranty clock starts then and there. That situation fits what you're seeing but this is just one data point. I would absolutely want to know if a car was used at a PEC...
I was looking at a different brand this past weekend and their loaner cars get used for 90 days / 3K miles but are never titled. They are then offered for sale as new (with a discount) and the warranty clock starts then and there. That situation fits what you're seeing but this is just one data point. I would absolutely want to know if a car was used at a PEC...
Very true. I purchased an Acura back in 2019 (and '19 MY) that had 3k miles used as a loaner. It was CPO'ed and a great deal. Bought it for $29,999 back then and still worth more than that today. If it was just a loaner, then that may be good.
Very true. I purchased an Acura back in 2019 (and '19 MY) that had 3k miles used as a loaner. It was CPO'ed and a great deal. Bought it for $29,999 back then and still worth more than that today. If it was just a loaner, then that may be good.
That is what I thought would happen but in this case (Lincoln), they actually title them as new, not CPO. In that case I might prefer a 1 year car which gets CPOd and thus a bit longer of a warranty. This depends on the brand and their CPO programs though.
I don't understand the hang-up around PEC cars. They're well maintained and properly run-in. No negative impact on value.
When I traded in my 992 C4S, the sales manager said that "it sounded like a PEC car" when it started up. Nope, but it was properly enjoyed with over 35k miles (including thousands on the pandemic autobahn). It briskly sold as a CPO car and the current owner has kept the mileage game up.
It's all about the discount, I rate track miles at 10x street miles. Not scientific but it's my way to think about wear.
For a beater with CPO I wouldn't think twice, for a car you want to keep long term likely not the best idea.
Also driving other peoples cars on track is great, you can really attack, have all the freedom and the car takes the punishment. A car that is owned by no one and gets to instruct people on track every day gets the hardest miles of any stock car.
I recall (and I am going by memory) that PEC buys there cars from a specific dealership in their area. At least they used to. It's because they needed the dealership to do all the work to get the car in the country, process it etc. Find out which dealership initially sold the car. If that dealership is not near the LA or ATL PEC centers, I wouldn't worry about it.
I agree that the cars are properly maintained. However, they are beaten. I've been 7 times and I have beaten them. So did everybody else. I did launch control 5 times during one of my sessions. Add that up over the car's life at PEC. Yes, you can do launch control 70 times in a row without issue. (There is a video of a Turbo S doing just that). However, it catches up to the car. Given the choice, most of us would rather have a non PEC car if we bought it used.
Last edited by subshooter; 02-27-2024 at 11:47 AM.
If you do a little digging you can likely gather more info on the spec of the PEC cars. When I was looking for a 991.2 a number of years ago, I recall running into PEC cars that were racing yellow (pdk), and the manuals were red.
As I was looking for a manual I definitely didn’t want a car used at PEC for “master the manual” sessions.
If you do a little digging you can likely gather more info on the spec of the PEC cars. When I was looking for a 991.2 a number of years ago, I recall running into PEC cars that were racing yellow (pdk), and the manuals were red.
As I was looking for a manual I definitely didn’t want a car used at PEC for “master the manual” sessions.
This one is silver but does have PPF on the full front end including headlights and side mirrors. The paint is flawless though and so is the inside. No sign of wear on seats. The interior is all leather including dashboard and doors.
Originally Posted by Nashvegas
I had the same question last year looking at a 911.
I think the best way to tell is on the original window sticker (if it exists) - look at the destination.
02-27-2024, 12:38 AM
Any sureshot way of knowing a car was used as a PEC car?
