737gdog

More to it than the engine and thanks……

911T4ME

Well my T is tuned and gets WAY better mpg than listed above in real world conditions. But that info is mysterious...

AdamSanta85

I am not defending the benefits of the T, but it is classified by Porsche as a distinct model, with its own rear badge, door sill, startup splash screen, etc, just like S, GTS etc. Unlike the GT3 which offers the "Touring package".

Cobbs 991.2 S made ~380whp stock (source) on a Dynojet, my car made 358 on a Mustang dyno.

jakermc

What is your definition of special model? In your opinion, what are the attributes needed to graduate from package to special model?

snake eyes

special model = Any GT division car.

the T is a model trim car as is the S and GTS.

a model is a Turbo a trim is a Turbo S

a model is a 911 a trim is a T, S, GTS

a model is a GT3 a trim is Touring

RS is a trim to a GT car (special means heavily modified)

aka GT3 trim RS
GT4 trim RS.

GT2 RS is a special model

etc etc

jakermc

Mostly makes sense. But ..... now that all cars are widebody and turbo charged, why is the Turbo a model and not a trim?

snake eyes

still a model on 992, so many differences…
and the wide body is not shared with the 911 standard and it’s trims

And than engine 3.8L vs 3.0L

keebin

Many reasons, special body designs on the turbo like side mounted air intakes, special aero design along with active aero, extremely special 3.8 turbo engine compared to a standard 3.0. The T is a parts bin base 911 just like my 911S. Also turbo has meaning in the Porsche lineup it’s the transcendence of power and luxury. It’s good to see people so passionate about a car though. The T is an awesome car but i think many people have the let the YouTube reviews get to their heads lol.

NHmacan

It is my understanding that both the PDK and the Man are geared slightly different. The point of the T is to offer a lower weight and better handling car with the base engine. Unfortunately, most people do not spec the T that way and add to many heavy options like PDK and glass roof. This negates the purpose. In my opinion ( not worth much) a T should have all the handling options, light weight options and a manual that is it.

jakermc

I was not arguing against it being a model, I agree actually. But wanted to see the logic and the definition behind this particular argument.

When I try to apply the rules and logic to the 911 I think I mostly agree, at least at first glance. But I think it falls apart when compared to other model lines. By this definition, my Panamera ST Turbo S E-hybrid is its own distinct model. But I think the world would just consider it another flavor of Panamera, and not a distinct model all its own. Personally, I think it's just another Panamera, just one with lots of luxury, power, and options.

Interestingly, Porsche is just as inconsistent as what I just outlined:

Here they distinguish the 911 as having different model lines, close to what was described here: https://www.porsche.com/usa/models/911/

But here they call all the Panamera's the same: https://www.porsche.com/usa/models/panamera/

I guess no point in trying to deduct logic from a marketing exercise

roketman

Who cares about the mileage!! It’s all about the drive!
Go for a ride!

alex_c

I don’t care about the mileage itself, just wondered why it would have a significantly different mileage rating than the Base and the S without any clear explanation.

Alc

Because it’s more fun..which is completely subjective and impossible to prove. Every MPG saved is a more mundane drive…wait that’s not scientific either. Okay, how about its Ts are used more often on the twisties at higher RPMs with no regard to MPGs and therefor suck at MPGs cause their owners don't give a **** about MPGs and just want to drive??? Will that work?
EDIT: Oh dammit, I forgot, some were ordered with AND some without RAS which also is subjective. Damn, looks like I’ll just have to keep my T and the pundits guessing.

spdracerut

Seriously though, the only thing I can think of as the final drive difference has been ruled out is the factory tire selection. The T comes with the P Zero N1 which I assume are sticker than the Base model getting Michelin PS4. I think I got the tire models right.

Cohen88

The only reason that I can think of right now, with regards to the difference in fuel efficiency between 991.2 C2/C2S and Carrera T would be due to the sports exhaust system that is fitted as standard equipment on the T, while it is an optional extra on the C2/C2S. I am quite sure there is a difference in the fuel map for cars with and without the sports exhaust.

The reason I say this is because MPG ratings are generally tested on vehicles in their most basic factory specifications, therefore it is plausible that the C2 and C2S tested were equipped with the standard exhaust and the T would have obviously been equipped with the sports exhaust.

In my opinion, this is possibly the source of the MPG difference.