The feedback provided was all cars in stock form. I drove .1 S for 1800 miles,( in stock form) .1 '15 GTS in stock form for 6500 miles and .1 GTS 7MT for 800 miles before adding DSC

I did eventually add DSC to both '15 and '16 GTSs but their behavior is pretty similar with DSC (With PDCC car still more understeer'y between the two)

 

Oh no worries at all.

I could simply be exaggerating what I am feeling. I am a 2 wheel racer, our contact patch on the motorcycle is the size of a credit card both front and rear (combined) and we are expected to feel the difference between a hard, medium or soft race tire in a 15 minute practice session (so we can choose a race tire). My experience may be very different that most and may not be applicable or translate to most owners.

 

The person you’re replying to specifically compared a first year 991.1, and if you go back to car magazine reviews it was widely reported the improvement in steering between the 2012 and 2013 model years. Porsche made some changes to the rack/programming that improved the perceived steering feedback after that first model year. With regards to later model year 991.1 S and GTS I would suspect what you’re saying is absolutely true, especially on the street there would be little perceivable difference in front end feel, but if you compared the GTS with a first year 991.1 I think you could easily tell something is different.

 

I did not order a car ,I just put a deposit down and specked a car when my number comes up but now they are asking over msrp

 

Amazing, I am stunned:}

 

I would look for a 991.2 base model. I believe this is the best option for the 3 litre turbo engine. I would not own a car with center lock wheels. You don't need an S or GTS with the turbo engine.

 

If you did not get one I would request now. Just went through this on a couple of Broncos I orderdered. MSRP went up since I ordered. Until the stealership model is eliminated we are subject to whatever crap they decide. ​​​​​​​​​​​​​​

 

All of this continued feedback has been super helpful.

I was able to test drive a 2017 GTS this weekend (and compare it to the 2015 GTS from two weeks ago) - both were RWD PDK vehicles with under 35K miles. I am shocked at how different the cars were - the 2015 felt a bit more "raw" and aggressive, while the 2017 seemed smoother/more refined (in a good way) with power readily on tap (the 2015 felt a bit more "laggy" unless you were really at the higher RPMs whereas the 2017 seemed to have the same power delivery regardless of RPM)...all on a relative basis of course. I thought the turbo engine would've had more "lag" than the NA, but it was actually the opposite. The 2017's interior also felt a bit better/updated. Between the two, I found that the 991.2 is probably indeed my preference - which when you factor in my wife's preference for the .2 over the .1, removes the debate. Please note this is simply based on two 20-minute test drives and these are the first and only two 911s I have ever driven. I still have yet to drive a manual - there are none available in my area. I'm sure I still have more to learn.

Now the issue is 991.2 prices are essentially listed at MSRP. On principle and with the current crazy market, I can't justify that, as well as knowing a new 992 GTS (at MSRP if you can get it of course) spec'ed exactly how we want is *only* ~$15K-$20K more. Full circle back to my starting comment - worse time to be introduced to the brand!

 

Keep driving them and the right car will find you. Be careful with the test drive though unless it exactly mirrors how you will drive the car. As you’ve discovered the 991.1 really needs to be wound out to experience it’s power. It is happiest above 4,000rpm and the higher you rev the more exciting it gets. The turbo has a flatter torque curve so you can access the power earlier and more consistently across the rpm range.

It’s never been a good time to buy a GTS. When I was shopping in Canada there were more GT3s for sale than there were GTSs. Availability of any 911 has gotten worse now. Trying to find the ideal spec used GTS requires a mix of luck, patience, and compromise.

The car is worth it though. 991.1 or .2 they are both amazing cars to drive.

 

They're not likely to be bound by anything other than returning your deposit and saying they can't produce the car due to mfg. shortages, etc.

 

Thanks for your answer. That’s what I wanted to know

 

No. Just a short-throw version of the regular shifter on the 991.2. And some red coloring.

I did have a 981 GT4 (and a 991.1 Carrera S before that, and an NA1 NSX before that). My personal subjective ranking of the shifters is: #1 NSX, #2 GT4 ........ ........ #3 Carrera T .... ..... .... ..... #4 991.1

While I'm here I might as well throw in my 2 cents:

1-- The 991.1 GTS is a special car and if you can get a good one, I'd be all over it. A 997 GTS would be even better IMO for a purer driving experience (shifter, steering, shorter wheelbase)

2-- That being said, if you already have an NSX I agree with those recommending a GT350 or the like if you're keeping the NSX in your stable.

3-- Re: someone recommended a base .2 or a T, Check out Cammisa's recently re-published motortrend review on YouTube. He despises modern turbo engines and though he says this Carrera wouldn't be his choice, he presents it in a more balanced way than you'll find on here. With all that being said, if you want a fast, comfyish turbocharged Carrera that complements the NSX why not a Turbo with a big T?