To DSC or Not to DSC
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I just recently saw the thread "best things done to your 991" interestingly enough....bunch of people were saying this was one of the best mods...But I concur, I am not sure other than "not that harsh of a ride in sports mode" what the overall point is.
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tl;dr -- people absolutely gush about this thing and it's damn near impossible to separate the people trying to justify their purchase via evangelizing it versus the people who are actually seeing objective improvements.
tl;dr -- people absolutely gush about this thing and it's damn near impossible to separate the people trying to justify their purchase via evangelizing it versus the people who are actually seeing objective improvements.
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Best way I can describe it (other than the "ride is no longer harsh") is that you will forget that you have it.
It will be firm when it should be, supple when it should be, it won't let the car squat on launch and not let it dive on hard braking.. It will keep the car even more planted and with less roll through corners
and within a week or two, you will forget how your car used to be before you installed a V3
It will be firm when it should be, supple when it should be, it won't let the car squat on launch and not let it dive on hard braking.. It will keep the car even more planted and with less roll through corners
and within a week or two, you will forget how your car used to be before you installed a V3
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If you are happy with how your car handles/feels for the way you drive it, then there is probably not a hugely valid reason to install a DSC. If you track your car or drive aggressively on the street and/ore would like an improvement over what the OEM controller can do for bumpy roads, it may well be worth it.
I've been very happy with its addition to my car as, for me, it does make the car feel much more composed when pushed hard on the track while also noticeably (again, for me) refining the ride over less than perfect roads in my area.
As asselus correctly pointed out, most of what you'll hear is entirely subjective - "feel" is almost always going to come down to that. In my use, the little bit of objective data I can offer is that my lap times did seem to improve after installing it. To be fair though, that was early enough in my ownership of the car, it is very plausible that just getting more seat time was what was improving things.
So, with the disclaimer of it being very subjective, I agree with the many others who say it's easily something that makes sense to do... if you're looking for an improvement over stock.
I've been very happy with its addition to my car as, for me, it does make the car feel much more composed when pushed hard on the track while also noticeably (again, for me) refining the ride over less than perfect roads in my area.
As asselus correctly pointed out, most of what you'll hear is entirely subjective - "feel" is almost always going to come down to that. In my use, the little bit of objective data I can offer is that my lap times did seem to improve after installing it. To be fair though, that was early enough in my ownership of the car, it is very plausible that just getting more seat time was what was improving things.
So, with the disclaimer of it being very subjective, I agree with the many others who say it's easily something that makes sense to do... if you're looking for an improvement over stock.
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If you want the ability to adjust your dampers, you buy adjustable coil-overs with *****.
However if you have PASM/adaptive suspension, you buy a DSC controller, and use a laptop in lieu of *****.
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I don’t drink the OEM cool aid believing that manufactures know best, or make everything the best. They are limited to budget, and slower release so they can keep seeming to make incremental improvements.
Classic case, after changing ancient log style manifold, they went to headers. Then with new engine on 991.2, to hold it back, they went back to log style. Then 992 to advance, they went headers again. They are targeting precise numbers, frequently holding things back for later models.
The DSC is easily installed and removed. Porsche collect loads of data, but PASM doesn’t use it all. DSC understands this data and uses a lot more of it to improve things.
If I drove a brand new stock GTS now, I would screw my nose up and go Yuk! And ask is it broken.
Why should you get it? Because your car is hobbled from factory in many areas. This is an easy one to improve.
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@B Russ if you drive your car only on good roads, aren't particularly aggressive, and don't track it, then don't bother. PASM and SPASM are perfectly adequate. If you spend a *lot* of time feeling like you're getting the teeth rattled out of your mouth, consider it - in normal mode it *can* make a difference, but I will say that it is not the revolutionary difference that other people say. It's definitely there, but it's not a "night and day" kinda thing, IMNSHO.
The reason I got it is because I track my car. In sport mode, the suspension reacts much better to g-force loadings than the stock controller. This allows the car to have flatter entry to corners, allows for better control in corners, and basically makes you faster. That said, I have a custom calibration file on my car, which is also modded - not nearly to the extent of @4 Point 0 's - but even without all of his mods, I notice the difference on the track. On the road, not so much for me, but that's not why I got it, and similarly that's not why @4 Point 0 got it.
So my take is that it's not snake oil, but it's not the panacea (at least in my opinion) that some claim it to be. The best thing about this one is that it's relatively simple to install, and very easy to revert. In other words, if you install it, find there's nothing there for you, you can remove it, and then sell it to somebody else.
The reason I got it is because I track my car. In sport mode, the suspension reacts much better to g-force loadings than the stock controller. This allows the car to have flatter entry to corners, allows for better control in corners, and basically makes you faster. That said, I have a custom calibration file on my car, which is also modded - not nearly to the extent of @4 Point 0 's - but even without all of his mods, I notice the difference on the track. On the road, not so much for me, but that's not why I got it, and similarly that's not why @4 Point 0 got it.
So my take is that it's not snake oil, but it's not the panacea (at least in my opinion) that some claim it to be. The best thing about this one is that it's relatively simple to install, and very easy to revert. In other words, if you install it, find there's nothing there for you, you can remove it, and then sell it to somebody else.
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you clearly don't have one...Ignorance is bliss, don't try a car with one and you will never want one. It's like the Matrix, red pill or blue pill. Your choice that you need to make. Not sure why you want anonymous people to make that choice for you LOL
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To add a bit to the 'porsche engineers know best' counter, you have to keep in mind that they are tasked with tuning the car for the broadest appeal in a wide range of conditions. You can often improve the car for *your* use with various mods, such as this DSC.
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Classic case, after changing ancient log style manifold, they went to headers. Then with new engine on 991.2, to hold it back, they went back to log style. Then 992 to advance, they went headers again. They are targeting precise numbers, frequently holding things back for later models.
It's not like they can't make fantastic headers, and they do so for the NA cars like GT3. (GT2 has a log)
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Personal choice really.....think of it in these terms: the controller in your car is ~5-6 years old, from when it was designed, maybe more. It's like the difference between a 6 year old iPhone and a new one. For some - the technology in the old one is just fine. For others, they want the faster processor, longer battery etc. You have a choice - what works for others may not work for you. For me this was the easiest $1,300 spent - smoother ride when I take my wife, and more controlled when I drive alone. And I don't play around with the settings. Your mileage may vary.........
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Definitely personal preference. I tried a DSV V3 about 2 years ago in my T, had it in for one day and went back to stock. It was too soft for my taste and driving style. I know you can go in and change the programming, this is something I didn't want to spend time on as I thought the stock module was fine. Since then I have swapped out the stock PASM shocks / springs for Bilstein B16 as I felt the front spring rate was too soft.. I don't track this car, only street driven. This is a mod that is easy to try and reverse if needed..