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One additional question: at what altitude do you drive?

desmotesta

Very good question.. I have never lived anywhere near higher elevation, and judging by what effect hot/humid day has on my beloved N/A car... this is a question worth asking.

I probably would jump to a turbo car if I lived in extremely Hot or higher elevation geography

ducktails

Based on your stats - one other factor to consider is that if the T is optioned with RAS (and if you can live with the less puristic 911 driving dynamic) it will be an absolute blast on B roads.

At the moment, I'm 100% B roads, and the improved chassis/shifter/steering plus RAS makes it a lot more fun than my .1S in every respect except perhaps sound.

oronymo

Sea level (Seattle). But very occasionally (rarely) cross the pass over the cascades (in summer).

oronymo

Also, the reason I'm asking is because I've got an eye on a local .1 GTS, but the nearest T is a PDK, so it's not a great comparison. I'll probably test drive the PDK T anyway just to see what it's like.

Speed2k

I think some of the appeal for the T is lost when it's equipped with a PDK (no LSD).

oronymo

100% agree. I would not buy the PDK. If I liked it as an overall experience, I would look at one of the manual cars that's out of state.

gskv

.2 T

na4life

Honestly I just found the .1 cars more fun on the back roads since I like to really rev it out. I have a .1 GTS and also considered a 992 C2S though I’ve also driven the .2 T. Very different cars tbh. I don’t like the 7 speed manual in the GTS at all (it feels very different than the one in the GT3 or GT4) but the .2 manuals feel a bit better.

ultimately I went PDK for my GTS since I live in SF and it’s miserable driving a manual here.

GP20

I bought my 2019 Chalk Gray 4 GTS PDK about 7 months ago. Before I bought it, I test drove a 991.1 4 GTS, 991.2 4 GTS, 991.2 4S, and 992 4S. Out of all the 911's I test-drove, I'd honestly say the 991.1 was the most fun of the ones that I drove. The visceral feeling and the sound, obviously. Ultimately, the 991.2 4 GTS was the one I'd rather "own" for the long term. I absolutely love it - the styling, the more modern technologies, the extra performance, 3 more years of warranty left at the time I bought it. That said, I'm looking to add a 997.2 4S manual, because part of me still misses the NA sound and being able to shift on my own.

In the end, both are special (but also kinda of gimmicky), somewhat limited production cars. For me, I'd rather have a gimmicky car that also has enough performance to back it up. Between a 991.1 and 991.2 4 GTS, obviously I chose the .2 But if I was to choose between the Carrera T and a 991.1 GTS, I'd probably go for the 991.1 GTS. Ultimately, you can't go wrong with either.

oronymo

what’s the difference between the .2 and .1 manual?

911dude41

I test drove a brand new .1 2016 GTS 7MT. The shifter action and clutch were both buttery smooth. Nice balance of sporty and comfortable. I could say that the clutch feel could have been a little vague but it was only a 3-4 mile test drive. The shifter throw was a tad long for my liking but wouldn't be something to sway me away from buying one. All that can be solved with a short shifter or linkage cables. Whatever floats your boat.

I'm fairly certain manual .1 GTS will start selling for 150k-200k one day.... One day. The PDK is epic too though.

JMO, the exhaust sound and overall feel will send more shivers down your spine than a Carrera T ever will... The T might exhilarate you if you drive aggressively, but the GTS will do that to you on every drive without even pushing the car.

polobai

As a carrera t owner, it’s a tough choice. I would say if you want it to mod and make power go with the t-if not and you don’t need the new infotainment and back up cam, etc then go with the 991.1 gts. Both will hold value-I would go for a 911 50th if you can get your hands on one.

737gdog

Had a ‘14 C2. Wanted a ‘15 or ‘16 GTS but could not find what I was looking for. Bought a ‘19T and absolutely love the car. There are pros and cons to each and I was very torn. Nothing like the NA motor at high rpms. Where I live, the torque from the turbo motor makes for a better driving experience. I would prefer the GTS if I could frequently open it up. Cannot go wrong with either but I’d probably go with the GTS. Closest thing to a GT3.

devtec

My vote would be for the T.

Its weaknesses can be addressed with very little effort.

When I first got my T, I was quite disappointed with the sound of the exhaust, basically silent. Getting used to the torque was also quite an adjustment, as it almost didn't matter what gear you were in--car felt the same (no fun wringing it out), therefore making it paradoxically not as exciting. Also not mentioned and was something I did notice, is that with decreased insulation there is just a hint of gear whine coming from the back at low speeds. This took some getting used to.

If you are willing to do two simple things, adding Vektor headers and a tune, both of which are quite reversible and safe, these weaknesses are addressed, and the value proposition and uniqueness of the car skyrockets, in my opinion. Adding the equal length headers vastly improved the sound of the car to a sound not the same as NA, but arguably as entertaining (adds a howl/growl like NA, but WITH turbo sounds!). Also, it had the not as anticipated effect of essentially fully eliminating turbo lag. This creates an experience of feeling more NA but with massive torque. So it is now both powerful AND fun to wring out. And I don't notice the slight whine as much anymore.

Add the tune, bringing you to 500hp and 500tq, and the experience becomes even more special, as you have a car arguably more driver oriented than a Turbo, given the visceral T chassis. This overall experience you might find to be quite unique, if a sense of specialness is what you are looking for in a GTS.

I also do like the interior and exterior changes of the .2 generation (aesthetics, carplay, etc.).

You could enjoy the T stock for a while. Then add header and appreciate that. Then add tune and appreciate it even more, each change potentiating the former. I also added a Numeric Shifter, creating near S2000 shifting pleasure.

Revert to stock anytime you like.

Again, quite a nice value proposition and feeling of driving something special, not even taking into account the lower production numbers of the T. Hope this helps.