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Old 06-04-2020, 10:28 AM
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I'm sure a Tesla would be a great daily car and I might consider one eventually, or rival EV at that point. But I would never consider any electric a replacement for 911. Call me old fashioned but I like the sound of that engine behind me, even if it requires maintenance and even if it's not as fast. If I wanted a super fast car I would have bought a 991 turbo or turbo S. I like the sense of occasion when I take my 911 out on a nice summer day, I doubt I would ever feel this way about a Tesla. So even if I do buy an electric one day it will not be a sporty one, just a chill relaxed one with good range.
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Old 06-04-2020, 10:54 AM
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Post it on RL marketplace? It's a much more targeted place / I sold my 2015 911 GTS that way.

Also, do you want to post a spec sheet? I have a friend in the market for a GTS. Forget about selling to Tesla! Let one of the RLers give it a good home!
Old 06-04-2020, 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by ryandarr1979
Was considering consolidating down to one car and trading my Ford Fusion Sport daily driver and my 2019 911 Carrera GTS and getting a new Tesla Model S Performance. Tesla came back with $75k for trade in. KBB on the car is $109k ($105k-$113k). My GTS coupe was $146k new in December of 2018. It’s silver, full alcantara, 7MT, glass roof, PDCC, RAS, SPASM, Bose, Premium Pkg, etc. Clean and garaged. I assumed they’d be $5k or even $10k different but come on, $35k? Screw Tesla. I’d consider a Taycan but I don’t want a stripper 4S, and trying to get into something under $110k.
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I’ll either trade it toward a Spyder or keep it. If I’m definitely getting rid of it, I’ll post it in classifieds and sell private party. I’ve sold a lot of cars that way. I posted more as a vent to Tesla’s BS lowball offer, given that I was already offered $108k on a trade toward a Spyder and I didn’t even have to push hard for that.
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I may put it up for private party. It’s well maintained, and has been garaged since new. To clarify, I wasn’t really looking for advice on how to sell my car or where to sell it. I sold cars as a profession for 5 years (00-05) and have sold many many cars private party. I posted mainly to vent about being lowballed by Tesla. My previous 911 (‘18 Carrera 4S Coupe 7MT), I traded in a year old for $115k and the dealer sold it for $125k, and this GTS is a nicer car than that was.
I am confused. You were going to consolidate from 2 cars to Tesla.

Are you now just going to replace the 19 GTS with Spyder, and keep the Ford?

You got rid of a 18 C4S, now trying to get rid of a 19 GTS.

Is this car ADHD working?

Yes, 75k is an insult for sure.

But I certainly won’t expect not to take a bath when trading in one year old cars.
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Old 06-04-2020, 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Dyim
I am confused. You were going to consolidate from 2 cars to Tesla.

Are you now just going to replace the 19 GTS with Spyder, and keep the Ford?

You got rid of a 18 C4S, now trying to get rid of a 19 GTS.

Is this car ADHD working?

Yes, 75k is an insult for sure.

But I certainly won’t expect not to take a bath when trading in one year old cars.
Haha...that was what I was thinking. C4S (what I have and a great car) to GTS and then to Spyder which will be even less user-friendly. And 911 to a Tesla sedan? That I don't get either.
Old 06-04-2020, 02:38 PM
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Heck when I was looking back then for a 991 to jump out of my Panamera 4S and saw your car (2019 911 Carrera GTS) for sale, I would have jumped in headfirst on that deal LOL without even asking any questions.
Old 06-04-2020, 06:11 PM
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I was considering getting rid of the Fusion and 911 and getting a Model S Performance but decided to keep the Fusion and trade the 911. I agreed to a deal with my local dealer and am trading in my GTS toward a Spyder. They’re giving me $111k.
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Old 06-05-2020, 03:01 AM
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Model s are facing a major update very soon. My one car consolidation would be something among e wagon/pana st/x5 (v8 model). Tesla so far mostly shines as a commute weapon to me.
Old 06-05-2020, 07:34 AM
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Keep the GTS and buy the Model 3 base instead of the S Performance. What you will discover once the newness wears off the Tesla, is that any E-car is a heavy pig. Sure, they blast off stoplights (big fun), but they don’t slalom worth a damn because of the weight and braking is still slowing down a vehicle that is almost twice as heavy as a 911. Handling is not crisp. You will miss the Porsche.

I have an Audi E-Tron and my 991.1 S Cab in the garage for my two vehicles and its a perfect mix. My Audi is my commuter and excels at that as a daily driver like no car I have ever owned. The Porsche is for fun only. And its a pleasure to get in it on a Sunday morning after five days in the E-Tron, they are different classes of cars, and one cannot replace the other. I’m glad to have one of each, its nearly a perfect combo.

Heavy discounts right now on E-Trons, too. $ 12K off MSRP is common and they still have the $ 7,500 Federal Tax Credit which has expired on all Teslas. Should take a look at them before you settle on Tesla, they are well made.
Old 06-05-2020, 10:40 AM
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Last weekend we watched a guy autoX his Model 3. Very strange to see (and not hear), but he was absolutely hauling around those cones. Ended up taking first in his class. It was a small class, but that thing did better than I would have expected.
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A model 3 did a 1:37 at Laguna Seca
Old 06-05-2020, 04:08 PM
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Lol don't buy a Tesla that **** is booooorrrrriiiiinnnnnggggg

At the very least don't sell a car right now. Now is the time to buy, if you can afford to hold both keep them and sell the Porsche later when things rebound.
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Originally Posted by subaru335i
At the very least don't sell a car right now. Now is the time to buy, if you can afford to hold both keep them and sell the Porsche later when things rebound.
Salesman around here think they get to have their cake and eat it too. They offer low trade-ins because "of the current state of the economy", but then turnaround and say they can't offer any discounts on new/used vehicles because "supply is low."

I told my sales guy he gets to pick "low trade-in, heavy discount" or "high trade-in, low discount", but that he'll lose my business forever if he tries to pull a "low trade-in, no discount" move
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Old 06-05-2020, 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by infinitest
Salesman around here think they get to have their cake and eat it too. They offer low trade-ins because "of the current state of the economy", but then turnaround and say they can't offer any discounts on new/used vehicles because "supply is low."

I told my sales guy he gets to pick "low trade-in, heavy discount" or "high trade-in, low discount", but that he'll lose my business forever if he tries to pull a "low trade-in, no discount" move
100%. They go from saying “tough economy for used cars right now with COVID-19” to “we actually had one of the best sales months ever” in the same sentence. Don’t pay attention to the nonsense, make a right now I’ll buy offer, and see where it goes. Yes, I’m paying sticker on a Spyder order as opposed to the 6% I got off my GTS order, but I’m comfortable with the very fair trade value. I said “this is what I want, this is what you can/should list for, and I’ve bought 4 cars from you guys and always serviced here”. They said “OK, fair deal”. What you see in the news vs the reality of a busy showroom is a very stark contrast. Back to the original point of the thread, I’m still tear-*** that Tesla offered me $36k less on a trade than what I got. I get it, but it’s still BS.
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Old 06-05-2020, 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by ryandarr1979
100%. They go from saying “tough economy for used cars right now with COVID-19” to “we actually had one of the best sales months ever” in the same sentence. Don’t pay attention to the nonsense, make a right now I’ll buy offer, and see where it goes. Yes, I’m paying sticker on a Spyder order as opposed to the 6% I got off my GTS order, but I’m comfortable with the very fair trade value. I said “this is what I want, this is what you can/should list for, and I’ve bought 4 cars from you guys and always serviced here”. They said “OK, fair deal”. What you see in the news vs the reality of a busy showroom is a very stark contrast. Back to the original point of the thread, I’m still tear-*** that Tesla offered me $36k less on a trade than what I got. I get it, but it’s still BS.
Exactly right. When trading in a valuable car, individual prices don't matter, it is just the delta. Dealers like to play with numbers for their own accounting purposes. Let them so long as your final out of pocket is fair and reasonable.

Enjoy the new car, it looks very cool.
Old 06-05-2020, 05:58 PM
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Why not do BAT? It if it a clean car and nice build, it will get traction. Certainly more than $75k; probably between $95-110k. A really nice GTS cab went for $120k, but that was a pretty special car. Sure, you will spend a few hours of time, but it is worth it to get a decent offer. Dealers are going to low-ball right now, especially on a expensive car. High dollar cars can take a long time to sell and there is no telling if-when another shoe drops on the economy.

Also, the consignment route is great if you don't need the funds from Car A to purchase Car B. You will be guaranteed to maximize your revenue that way; paying a dealer 5-7% to sell a car at whatever retail is will guarantee you top dollar. People like the convenience of a trade but on a high dollar car, unless the sales tax issue eats up the difference, consignment always wins. Heck, I have bought several cars private party, driven them for a few months, given them to a consignment specialist, and still walked away with money in my pocket.

A director at Accenture told me today that their future engagement pipeline is drying up; the only ones spending are government agencies right now. If companies are no longer spending on expensive professional services, it doesn't portend well for future economic growth. I know of several businesses that plan on re-laying off employees once PPP funds run out....the economy is being held together by bailing wire right now and unless we get a unexpected resumption of consumer spending, things are going to stay pretty bleak until a vaccine arrives or people say "screw it", which so far hasn't happened.

A back of the napkin analysis shows that 40-60 million people are getting wage assistance from PPP right now, depending on what you assume the average wage is. What happens when that money goes away if demand hasn't returned?

I would get this sucker up on BAT ASAP.


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