2017 991.2 vs 2020 TTRS
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2017 991.2 vs 2020 TTRS
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I'm new to the forum and am considering a new car. I currently have a 2016 Audi TTS and am considering a 2020 TTRS or a C2 991.2. I will be driving the car all year round, doing about 8000 km a year. I wanted to get a C4S but it's not in my budget. I live in Toronto, so the snow isn't too bad but Jan n Feb do have some bad days. I have an suv as the family car. The 911 will be about 10-15k more than the TTRS.
Any thoughts between the two or things i should be concerned with. The maintenance is one thing that stands out to me. One thing that intrigues me is that it is the last generation possibly last year of the TTRS.
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I'm new to the forum and am considering a new car. I currently have a 2016 Audi TTS and am considering a 2020 TTRS or a C2 991.2. I will be driving the car all year round, doing about 8000 km a year. I wanted to get a C4S but it's not in my budget. I live in Toronto, so the snow isn't too bad but Jan n Feb do have some bad days. I have an suv as the family car. The 911 will be about 10-15k more than the TTRS.
Any thoughts between the two or things i should be concerned with. The maintenance is one thing that stands out to me. One thing that intrigues me is that it is the last generation possibly last year of the TTRS.
Thanks
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If within a 30-minute test drive of a .2 C2 it isn't obvious to you why the Porsche is worth all of the extra money then buy the TTRS.
If it is obvious, the only thing(*) you will miss about the TTRS is the awesome sound of the masterpiece engine that is the 'RS's heart.
If you are cross-shopping the RS and a C2 then you probably are looking at 'automatic' transmissions. PDK is far, far better than DSG.
(*) We 'got out' of TTs prior to the MkIII. You might miss the LCD display.
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I've driven them both but for not a long enough period of time. But even at that time (2-3 years ago) the 911 was special. It's been my dream car, Here are my concerns, hopefully you can ease them and provide some insights.
- Not having an AWD vehicle. Should I be concerned in the winter? I'd put on winter tires of course
- Maintenance costs, I will most likely buy it from the dealer, so I'll have warranty for at least 2 years. How much should I expect to spend every year
- Is it better for me to buy .1 4/4S vs .2 C2
- How much difference is there between C2 and C2S, and will it be a factor for me (daily driver, no track)
I don't track my car and put low km's on it.
Must have options: PDK, Memory Seats, Sports Exhaust, Upgraded sound system
Like to have: PASM, Sunroof, Sports Chrono, 20" wheels, Tinted lights
@worf928 I definitely love the sound of the TTRS, that is my main reason to switch now from my TTS
Thanks
- Not having an AWD vehicle. Should I be concerned in the winter? I'd put on winter tires of course
- Maintenance costs, I will most likely buy it from the dealer, so I'll have warranty for at least 2 years. How much should I expect to spend every year
- Is it better for me to buy .1 4/4S vs .2 C2
- How much difference is there between C2 and C2S, and will it be a factor for me (daily driver, no track)
I don't track my car and put low km's on it.
Must have options: PDK, Memory Seats, Sports Exhaust, Upgraded sound system
Like to have: PASM, Sunroof, Sports Chrono, 20" wheels, Tinted lights
@worf928 I definitely love the sound of the TTRS, that is my main reason to switch now from my TTS
Thanks
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I would not think much about it being the last year of the TTRS. It could also be said that the last manual TTRS is the one to have.
I am guessing since you are looking at a TTRS, the C2 would be PDK. The transmission is very good. Having owned an S4 and then a 997.2 C2S at the same time, I would say that maintenance costs between the two are similar enough, even at the dealer. Going to an Audi dealer, an oil change was $200 on my S4. The C2S is $250 at the dealer.
Just sitting in the C2 should sell you. The seating position and the way it makes you feel. If it does not feel like an upgrade, then go for the TTRS. But the way a Porsche feels and the seating position alone would sell me over the TTRS.
To answer your questions above, not having AWD is not a concern. All of the weight is over the rear wheels. You will be fine with traction. Get winter tires as you know.
Maintenance costs are not that much more, but they are more. Figure in maintenance you will have years that are $500, consisting mostly of oil changes, brake flushes, and filters. But other years you will be doing plugs and brakes and they will be more expensive. Those years may be $1500-2000. I would just budget $1500 a year, maybe a bit more to cover yourself.
Difficult to say whether you would prefer the .1 or .2. If you like turbo power which I am guessing you do since you have a TTS, you may prefer the power out of the C2. Also the interior with CarPlay is nicer for everyday use and I think the .2 looks better. But if you want an NA engine with AWD, then the .1 is the way to go.
Not much of a difference in C2 vs C2S, the engine is basically the same, C2 brakes will be plenty good for your use on the street.
I am guessing since you are looking at a TTRS, the C2 would be PDK. The transmission is very good. Having owned an S4 and then a 997.2 C2S at the same time, I would say that maintenance costs between the two are similar enough, even at the dealer. Going to an Audi dealer, an oil change was $200 on my S4. The C2S is $250 at the dealer.
Just sitting in the C2 should sell you. The seating position and the way it makes you feel. If it does not feel like an upgrade, then go for the TTRS. But the way a Porsche feels and the seating position alone would sell me over the TTRS.
To answer your questions above, not having AWD is not a concern. All of the weight is over the rear wheels. You will be fine with traction. Get winter tires as you know.
Maintenance costs are not that much more, but they are more. Figure in maintenance you will have years that are $500, consisting mostly of oil changes, brake flushes, and filters. But other years you will be doing plugs and brakes and they will be more expensive. Those years may be $1500-2000. I would just budget $1500 a year, maybe a bit more to cover yourself.
Difficult to say whether you would prefer the .1 or .2. If you like turbo power which I am guessing you do since you have a TTS, you may prefer the power out of the C2. Also the interior with CarPlay is nicer for everyday use and I think the .2 looks better. But if you want an NA engine with AWD, then the .1 is the way to go.
Not much of a difference in C2 vs C2S, the engine is basically the same, C2 brakes will be plenty good for your use on the street.
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As others stated, there is no comparison really. 991.2 is miles above a TTRS. I drove a TTRS for a weekend once so I can compare them a bit, now owning a 991.2. Not in same weight class. And that is truly why they are priced as they are. But if you are going to unload them any time soon, the 991.2 will hold its value miles more than the Audi. TTRS on used market drop substantially. But again, here in Canada my car new is almost $60k more than a new TTRS..so it should be in another league .
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The TTRS can be fun in a straight line and the styling is fantastic with more widgets in the infotainment. That's where it ends. The 911 is much more balanced and far superior in terms of driving dynamics.
Also for practicality the 911 has more storage.
Also for practicality the 911 has more storage.
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I've driven them both but for not a long enough period of time. But even at that time (2-3 years ago) the 911 was special. It's been my dream car, Here are my concerns, hopefully you can ease them and provide some insights.
- Not having an AWD vehicle. Should I be concerned in the winter? I'd put on winter tires of course
- Maintenance costs, I will most likely buy it from the dealer, so I'll have warranty for at least 2 years. How much should I expect to spend every year
- Is it better for me to buy .1 4/4S vs .2 C2
- How much difference is there between C2 and C2S, and will it be a factor for me (daily driver, no track)
I don't track my car and put low km's on it.
Must have options: PDK, Memory Seats, Sports Exhaust, Upgraded sound system
Like to have: PASM, Sunroof, Sports Chrono, 20" wheels, Tinted lights
@worf928 I definitely love the sound of the TTRS, that is my main reason to switch now from my TTS
Thanks
- Not having an AWD vehicle. Should I be concerned in the winter? I'd put on winter tires of course
- Maintenance costs, I will most likely buy it from the dealer, so I'll have warranty for at least 2 years. How much should I expect to spend every year
- Is it better for me to buy .1 4/4S vs .2 C2
- How much difference is there between C2 and C2S, and will it be a factor for me (daily driver, no track)
I don't track my car and put low km's on it.
Must have options: PDK, Memory Seats, Sports Exhaust, Upgraded sound system
Like to have: PASM, Sunroof, Sports Chrono, 20" wheels, Tinted lights
@worf928 I definitely love the sound of the TTRS, that is my main reason to switch now from my TTS
Thanks
2. Maintenance costs are no different than an Audi.
3. This is controversial (an understatement). A .1 may be more pragmatic in winter with the lower torque number. Turbos do love cold though. .2 are faster but now with the 992 out they lost the sheen of having an updated infotainment and they are closer to the .1 than the 992 here. Some people love the characteristics of the NA engine and some love the ease of accessing power in the turbo. If you have an inclination to mod for power then get the .2 without hesitation. It takes 15K to get and extra 40-50hp on the .1 and 1500 bucks for a tune on the .2 that will put you in TURBO performance. The 991.1 is the last of the NA's and there is a romantic attachment many of us have to that notion.
4. The 991.2 base is fantastically fast and will kill a TTRS in a straight line. There is no contest in turns. A Base 991.2 is probably faster with just a tune than most 991.1S/GTS. I say probably because typically comparing modded cars is a feudal exercise in who has the deepest pockets and how they are comparing very specific metrics.
5. If the sound of the car is a factor then the 991.1 is going to be subjectively better than a 991.2.
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I'm new to the forum and am considering a new car. I currently have a 2016 Audi TTS and am considering a 2020 TTRS or a C2 991.2. I will be driving the car all year round, doing about 8000 km a year. I wanted to get a C4S but it's not in my budget. I live in Toronto, so the snow isn't too bad but Jan n Feb do have some bad days. I have an suv as the family car. The 911 will be about 10-15k more than the TTRS.
I had a similar path. I had an 2017 Audi TTS for a brief moment (6 mo), I liked it so much I ordered a new 2018 Audi TTRS from the factory. Then I waited. While waiting for a Port Hold to end I started configuring and searching for 911s. I found a 911T. I also made the mistake of asking the same question here - your Audi TT of any flavor isn’t going to get much love on the Rennlist. I never drove nor owned the TTRS, so I can’t speak to that.. but...
For the Audi... it’s a seriously quick car.... contrary to the above, it will accelerate faster than the base 911.2 but won’t be as fast/fun in the turns. Also, contrary to the above, the rear hatch gives an insane amount of storage space that is easy to get into. For the 911... I don’t use mine in bad weather/snow/daily driver... so I’d be surprised you wouldn’t go for a C4. But, with the right tire setup, you’ll have an interesting snowplow. I’d pick the TT over the 911 for snow season. But in the summer the 911 is far more special and will not age. It will always be a classic 911. The rear engine push out of the turns (especially on the track) is amazing.
I go back and forth between my RS5 and the RS5 feels sporty until I take a drive in the 911. The 911 is MT, which you can’t get in many Audis these days and for weekend spirited drives makes the whole experience pretty different.
If’s going to be a hard choice for you. Let me know if you have other questions.
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All great input, I don't own a TTRS but have driven 2 before, and while it was a fun car, I wouldn't cross-shop it with a 911. Additionally, at the end of the day, if they are going to be daily drivers, all considered, I would rather be in a 911, simply put.
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(Previously I’d traded-in her GTI on a Macan Turbo. (Long story involving DieselGate and the ever-declining ‘fun’ factor of mass-market cars in general from gen-to-new-gen.))
MT 991.1 is her winter DD. Snow tires and 80 pounds of weight in the frunk work great. If the snow’s up to the bumper ‘cause she’s out before the plows she takes the Macan.
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And thus, why my wife trade-in my Audi TTS (DSG) for her 991.1 C2S 7-speed MT.
(Previously I’d traded-in her GTI on a Macan Turbo. (Long story involving DieselGate and the ever-declining ‘fun’ factor of mass-market cars in general from gen-to-new-gen.))
MT 991.1 is her winter DD. Snow tires and 80 pounds of weight in the frunk work great. If the snow’s up to the bumper ‘cause she’s out before the plows she takes the Macan.
(Previously I’d traded-in her GTI on a Macan Turbo. (Long story involving DieselGate and the ever-declining ‘fun’ factor of mass-market cars in general from gen-to-new-gen.))
MT 991.1 is her winter DD. Snow tires and 80 pounds of weight in the frunk work great. If the snow’s up to the bumper ‘cause she’s out before the plows she takes the Macan.
Sounds like a keeper
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[QUOTE=worf928;16315674
MT 991.1 is her winter DD. Snow tires and 80 pounds of weight in the frunk work great. If the snow’s up to the bumper ‘cause she’s out before the plows she takes the Macan.[/QUOTE]
Why 80 lb of weight in the frunk? It shifts the center of gravity forward, away from the drive wheels in the rear. Snow traction will be reduced, not increased
MT 991.1 is her winter DD. Snow tires and 80 pounds of weight in the frunk work great. If the snow’s up to the bumper ‘cause she’s out before the plows she takes the Macan.[/QUOTE]
Why 80 lb of weight in the frunk? It shifts the center of gravity forward, away from the drive wheels in the rear. Snow traction will be reduced, not increased