Introduction: Motul
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Introduction: Motul
Hello 991 Enthusiasts,
I wanted to drop a line and say "hello" and let you know that we now have been a sponsor of Rennlist for about 30 days now. We started posting in the 993 and 997 forums and have had some great feedback and dialog there. We'd love to continue the dialog here with the late model crowd such as the 991 as we have full coverage of the Porsche brand with OEM approved oils. Motul 8100 oil's (and others) are a legitimate alternative to the OEM recommended oil and have a great amount of upside in comparison. Would love to hear your questions or how we can help your 911 perform even better. -Nick
I wanted to drop a line and say "hello" and let you know that we now have been a sponsor of Rennlist for about 30 days now. We started posting in the 993 and 997 forums and have had some great feedback and dialog there. We'd love to continue the dialog here with the late model crowd such as the 991 as we have full coverage of the Porsche brand with OEM approved oils. Motul 8100 oil's (and others) are a legitimate alternative to the OEM recommended oil and have a great amount of upside in comparison. Would love to hear your questions or how we can help your 911 perform even better. -Nick
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Hi Nick, when are you going to post some VOAs? You have yet to respond to my two requests in other Forums. Thank you.
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Hello there,
Sorry must have missed that, there were many requests and replies to those threads. I won't post internal formulation data on the Internet but more than happy to analyze, confirm, deny the results of publicly posted VOA's. I have some I can work off of as well- can you provide what product you were looking for? -Nick
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Hello there,
Sorry must have missed that, there were many requests and replies to those threads. I won't post internal formulation data on the Internet but more than happy to analyze, confirm, deny the results of publicly posted VOA's. I have some I can work off of as well- can you provide what product you were looking for? -Nick
Sorry must have missed that, there were many requests and replies to those threads. I won't post internal formulation data on the Internet but more than happy to analyze, confirm, deny the results of publicly posted VOA's. I have some I can work off of as well- can you provide what product you were looking for? -Nick
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In no way am I asking for formulation data, that would be silly. Please post a simple VOA for the oil you recommend, and A40 approved, for the 991's 9A1 motor. A UOA, with say 5,000 miles on it, would also be great to see. Mainly; Alum., Iron, Copper, Zinc, Phosphorus, SUS at 210 and cSt at 100. Thanks in advance. Hope you can provide.
Below is a UOA I collected online a few years ago on a 3.8L engine out of a Carrera S. It was on a short drain of about 4,200 miles. Numbers improved across the board, especially as it related to wear metals vs the Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel Truck Oil- specifically on the aluminum side- 400% less wear. cSt values at 100C are on the higher side of a 40 grade at 13.3 cSt. The below average phosphorous is due to emission compliance within the Porsche A40 profile- phosphorous is poisonous to catalytic converters. My one comment about he makeup of the used oil sample is that the additive and viscosity retention in this sample is quite outstanding considering the virgin analysis below.
As far as VOA goes, there is one that is very detailed I've held onto for sometime as it includes NOACK volatility (an oil's evaporation rate- lower the number the better. Industry average is in the 13%'s) and various other things that Blackstone doesn't include in their tests. It appears to be a very accurate representation of the X-cess 5W40 formulation and further proved by the UOA above:
With 8100 X-cess 5W40 having a NOACK of 8.8%, you get an oil that has an extremely low oil consumption rate so if you’re expericing oil consumption issues or extreme/high oil temps, an oil like this will be less susceptible to breaking down under those kind of conditions. Which are quite common in rear engine cars.
Hope this is useful to you guys.-Nick
Last edited by Motul; 08-04-2018 at 05:19 PM.
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I have a question. When did the iconic Motul 600 brake fluid become Motul 660. LOL. I changed over to SRF in about 2003. Someone had recommended a No name brand 600, and it reminded me of Motul 600 from decades ago, and then I saw you guys call it Motul 660 now. Too many copy cats in the 600 space? LOL.
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I have a question. When did the iconic Motul 600 brake fluid become Motul 660. LOL. I changed over to SRF in about 2003. Someone had recommended a No name brand 600, and it reminded me of Motul 600 from decades ago, and then I saw you guys call it Motul 660 now. Too many copy cats in the 600 space? LOL.
RBF 600 is alive and well- it is our top selling brake fluid to this day. 660 is just a slightly better performing product but comes at nearly 2x the price, that is why the RBF600 continues to be the leader here at Motul.-Nick
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I see that Motul has the 8100 X-cess 5W-40 and the X-max 0W-40 has recommended oils for the 991. Besides the obvious viscosity difference, what is the recommended use case for each oil? Why would I select one over the other? Is there a recommended oil for extreme duty like track days over pure street driving?
Thanks for reaching out to us.
Thanks for reaching out to us.
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I see that Motul has the 8100 X-cess 5W-40 and the X-max 0W-40 has recommended oils for the 991. Besides the obvious viscosity difference, what is the recommended use case for each oil? Why would I select one over the other? Is there a recommended oil for extreme duty like track days over pure street driving?
Thanks for reaching out to us.
Thanks for reaching out to us.
That is correct. The 2 products you mentioned are approved by Porsche for the 991- we also have a 3rd product called 8100 X-clean 5W40. We developed both products due to pure market demand of a 5W40 and 0W40. With the X-max 0W40 you only gain increased pumpability at cold start vs the X-cess 5W40. The formulations themselves are quite similar in terms of base oil formulation and ad pack design. Generally speaking, a 0W vs 5W at cold start will have improved cold oil performance so in theory less engine wear will occur and better fuel mileage. Either product will perform admirably in the 991 or any water cooled Porsche requiring the Porsche A40 profile. The 8100 line that the X-cess and X-max are apart of, are 100% synthetic products with a pretty stout additive package and while both are "service" products due to being OEM approved etc, both can certainly be used in a track dedicated car or everyday driver. That is the beauty of the 8100 line, good enough for the street and race track.
Our 300V line is our motorsport dedicated product based on group 5 ester based technology- Motul was the first company to develop a ester based synthetic for 4 stroke engines in 1971. For decades of continuous research, this product is unchallenged at the track to this day. We really are the only company that makes a true group 5 based engine oil- group 5's are not based on crude and are made up of up to 5000 different ingredients for a specific purpose. In our case, make as much power as possible while also increasing reliability. Besides being heavily friction modified to create more power, the ester base oils also have what is known as a "lower traction coefficient" vs group 3 and 4 synthetics that provide additional power making capabilities. Also, the ester synthetic oil film is virtually unbreakable so 300V's viscosity retention is second to none. This is how we can create more power while also increasing reliability. We tested 300V 0W40 (Oil 1) vs M1 0W40 and made 6.8HP and 1.2% more TQ on a 3.6L Porsche Cup engine last year- this was on an engine dyno in a controlled environment. You can see where the esters really begin to shine, at the top end of the RPM range where friction is at its highest:
To put it in perspective, the entire LMP2 class in WEC and Le Mans uses 300V right off the shelf as well as McLaren's entire GT3/GT4 program (also RBF 660 and Gear 300 oil). These are not paid endorsements but true technical partnerships. We have many reports from Porsche 300V users of 10-15 F drops in oil temps as well since switching to this product; also extending the life of their oil drains on their track cars. It is not Porsche approved as it is a track dedicated product but has all the detergents and traditional cleaning power of a service oil and is suitable for everyday street use. We just recommend sticking to a more conservative drain of around 5000 miles for street cars. Hope this info helps.-Nick
Last edited by Motul; 08-06-2018 at 12:24 AM.
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Really Interesting,
I have 2018 Carrera GTS which I track.
I have switched to your Brake Fluid and have used it for all my other cars for years .
The Car is only a few months old. What Oil would you recommend that I switch to and do you recommend it for track and street driving. Will I notice a difference on the Track.
I have 2018 Carrera GTS which I track.
I have switched to your Brake Fluid and have used it for all my other cars for years .
The Car is only a few months old. What Oil would you recommend that I switch to and do you recommend it for track and street driving. Will I notice a difference on the Track.
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Really Interesting,
I have 2018 Carrera GTS which I track.
I have switched to your Brake Fluid and have used it for all my other cars for years .
The Car is only a few months old. What Oil would you recommend that I switch to and do you recommend it for track and street driving. Will I notice a difference on the Track.
I have 2018 Carrera GTS which I track.
I have switched to your Brake Fluid and have used it for all my other cars for years .
The Car is only a few months old. What Oil would you recommend that I switch to and do you recommend it for track and street driving. Will I notice a difference on the Track.
Assuming your car is still under warranty a Porsche approved product will be necessary. If you're looking for an upgrade over the factory product, look to the 8100 X-cess 5W40 or 8100 X-max 0W40. Both are recommended for street and track use. These oils (any OEM approved product) do have their limitations vs 300V as they all have to fit a certain formulation window to achieve the Porsche A40 approval and others. That being said, they are both 100% synthetic and have very low volatility performance vs the OEM product so you should see less oil evaporation- an oil's tendency to thicken when exposed to repeated extreme temps- and a very strong oil film that is less prone to shearing- when oil viscosity is reduced. This will also increase additive retention- an oil's ability to retain the additive package in the oil. So at the end of the oil drain interval you will have an oil that was able to stay in grade longer, that cleaned and protected better. -Nick
PS- All Lordco locations stock Motul in BC as far as I know.
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Here in S. Carolina the temps dip into the mid 70's only in the morning. During the day, mid to high 90's with extreme humidity. I have a 2014 C4S in which I use Motul X-Cess 5W40. I'm doing 2-3K miles annually with annual oil service. No track time but I generally drive with much zeal once fully warmed up. The car is parked throughout the winter months. Should I consider 0W40 grades? Which of the X products are more likely to align with my type of use? Does the 300V have an acceptable additive pack for my needs? I also use 300V 4T in my Duc but have always been cautioned that racing oils have little to no additive package as it is unnecessary for the oil's intended end user? However, my old Duc 748S seems happy/healthy (and leak free) after 28K (not-so gentle) miles and 20 years!
Lastly, any local resellers you are familiar with in the Greenville SC area for your automotive products? (It seems if I want to purchase Motul, Fedex UPS or USPS must touch it first
Lastly, any local resellers you are familiar with in the Greenville SC area for your automotive products? (It seems if I want to purchase Motul, Fedex UPS or USPS must touch it first
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