minthral

PTV is an option for C4. It doesn't come with it.

Yes I'm sure C4 without PTV (smart electrical diff) will accelerate just fine with more power, but with a little more drama. Completely depends on road conditions. If its perfect dry uniform rough pavement, it wont matter much.

LavaGTS

OP, check your local airport to see if Hertz is renting any 991.2's

The base model from Hertz is what got me in love. Gotta say I rented it at least 15 different times (somtimes for 2 weeks). Took everything I threw at it.

minthral

Yep - that's me. No axle lift or sunroof though. My PDK, AWD, PSE, PDCC, PTV, RWS, PCCB, SC, full leather, access and entry, auto dimming mirrors, vented/heated memory seats do add weight, hardly to a point it matters or 'heavy' considering all the power the car has and its ability to be completely flat in corners at crazy speeds. Guarantee that it handles better than your heavenly car. A little extra weight doesn't make a significant difference in every day performance or usability, especially considering the said options are intended to enhance handling and the car has so much power. Its a car above all else for me and its ability to function as that the best it can take priority to me being speed racer. With all the options, it still handles like its very light weight. Rear steering + PDCC + SPASM + AWD is amazing.

Porsche does know best. I'm not adding Cobb tune to my Porsche. Pretty sure it was causing my 981 PDK to get into limp mode intermittently after 40k+ miles. I wont put aftermarket parts on it because I don't feel I need to. Power and handling is as good as it gets. Buying a 'base light weight car' in hopes to mod is crazy in my mind. Why not just by the car you want up front? Modding is going to be move expensive in the short and long term than just manning up and spending more money for the you want.

pfbz

Quite literally the perfect example of "great minds think completely differently..."

You are so absolutely sure of everything you claim, but your car is still not the car I'm looking for. I'm still super happy for you anyway that you seem to have exactly what you want.

The only point you seem to miss is the driving enjoyment one... Sometimes "better" doesn't equal more enjoyable.

eg: PDK is "better" in almost every measurable way. it's faster, more foolproof, can handle tons of power, but for me, it is absolutely less fun to drive, and I've driven them back-to-back. It falls short in one easy to recognize but difficult to explain metric; putting a smile on my face when driving.

Similar opinion arguments are often made against other Porsche enhancers... pdcc (feels artificial), awd (pushes into corners, less throttle steer), spasm (too firm on some roads/cars). rws (loses the rear engine feel).

My "heavenly" car isn't your car, clearly... But you really need to accept that your "heavy" car isn't my car, and it isn't just about "manning up and spending more money" (though you seem to think it is). It is quite simply NOT the driving experience I want in a 911.

Someday soon I'd be happy to spend a day at the track with you swapping back and forth, we both might find it enlightening...

subshooter

Yes. That is the setup I have.

I'm not sure what you mean without PSM? All modern Porsches have PSM as standard. You can turn it off but it is still operating in the background.

You wont have a problem with any of the 911s in straight line traction. All that weight in the rear helps a lot when accelerating.

Although, I have seen guys turn PSM off, then use launch control while turning. He crashed.

groundhog

I see where you are coming from - However something like rear steering doesn't take away from the endeavour - for example, rear steering in cornering allows more slip angle to be achieved thereby increasing the frictional capacity of the contact patch - basically you have more grip and thus better handling.

This on its own, is a great reason to pick an S or GTS - the ability to carry corner speed and generate early corner exit speed are the key items that make a car fast and feel fast.

With regard to tunes it looks like its possible for the GTS to gain an additional 100RWHP with a tune (Cobb Stage 1 see BGB thread and ///M thread) - no need to buy turbos etc just plug and play.

In general I'm agnostic towards manual or PDK - however, I do believe its a fallacy to say one is more enjoyable than the other. What I personally find (owning both) is I enjoy both.

Basically, if you want super sharp handling you have to go with the T/S/GTS where you can get SPASM and RAS (I think thats why a quite a few people by-pass the base - not that I think there is anything wrong with the base) - better handling, braking and torque plus HP end up being pretty compelling points in favour of the GTS .

(I'm not ragging on the base - its clearly a great car).

Probably the most important consideration is simple - buy what puts a smile on your face for me that was a de-badged GTS with the performance additions.

K-A

I drove the base .2 and personally, I just wasn't a fan at all. It did very little for me, emotionally.

Even though the .2 GTS still wasn't my entire cup of tea and didn't take care of the sound issue to me, it was a far more memorable experience and package. That extra brute ish torque and just the way the GTS is adorned really gave it its character and made me not want to stop driving it, whereas with the base I practically couldn't wait to get out. It (GTS) feels like a sophisticated, luxury missile with the ability to attack any track.

Of course, it was also stickered nearly $50K above the base I drove. And at that price, no question I'd go GT3, which in turn will also save tons of money in the long run as it won't depreciate much if at all.

pfbz

Absolutely! And that clearly isn't the same for everyone...

In addition, I'd like to keep my Mezger Turbo and add the 991.2. Buying/building my Heavenly base vs searching for a well optioned .2 GTS lets me rationalize keeping both for about the same overall investment. And while .2's have plenty of rapid depreciation left in them, the Mezger Turbo is on a steady rise offsetting the combined cost of ownership and letting me play with two 911 toys instead of one.

I know it's all self rationalization, but feeding my Porsche and KTM motorcycle habit in a way that lets me enjoy the toys without huge depreciation also makes me smile, not to mention it keeps the wife very happy even when I mention there's a new 911 on its way home.

groundhog

LOL I know what you mean the Porsche habit is a hard one to beat/break fortunately I self cured myself of the motor bike habit thirty years ago!

4 Point 0

This is actually a good thread. Some interesting views.

It's ok to be different. If everyone was the same, it would be pretty boring. We woud all be in one type of 911 and not 49 different types.

I spent a week in Germany in a C4 GTS. I knew from the first time I pulled a U-Turn that I did not want a 4. We don't get snow here. Its pretty much summer nine months of the year. I don't like the pull on the wheel or the feel of the 4.

So it was always a GTS (Non 4 for me). I wanted a turbo and I wanted widebody. I wanted steering feel. I almost got a GT3. But I knew as soon as they started tuning these turbo's the GT3 would date fast and be left behind.

But I appreciate the what the GT3 is. As for Porsche building them the best they can be.....HA! Kaisen. Everything can be improved upon. I don't want an RS. Yet I will put a lot of adjustable bars on my car and spherical bearings to get the tactile feel I want. I don't want RAS or PDCC. Again I want a more raw feel.

I am building my perfect car for me. Not for anyone else. Including and upgrading things I feel can make it more pleasurable for me. Every single time I speak about up grading my brakes, I hear people say, "You don't need to."

Don't tell me what I need. LOL I need to upgrade my brakes. You might putter around like Miss Daisey, but I don't. And I have run out of brakes.

Dan Nagy

If you drive an manual transmission, the C2 will be enough. It's very quick and I can't imagine deriving much more out of a 911 with more horsepower and torque. If you want a PDK, that's a whole other story.

911boy

I agree with this too. Not many on here can get their car anywhere near its limits i bet. ..................especially on public roads. If youre not tracking not much point in bigger brakes pasm etc. IMO.

reacher

I agree, we should all just buy Toyota Camrys because a Porsche of any kind is wasted on public roads.

911boy

Very helpful for OP.

flsupraguy

I decided to buy a Camry. thread closed