OT: Any 991 folks with prior AMG experience?
05-15-2018, 06:27 PM
#17
Early 1990's, for sure... late 1990's saw a significant fall in quality as the company merged with Chrysler, but more critically they started building cars to price points rather than standards. Some say this was to deal with the competitive threat from the Japanese, I think they just lost their way. I've been really happy with my last 4-5 AMG vehicles and going back, even more, the CLS550 that I had years back was hands down one of most trouble-free vehicles I have owned. I've had 3 Range Rovers and a Jaguar XF-RS in the last 6 years, the latter went back to Jaguar after a month as a lemon. The Range Rovers (Tata and pre-Tata models) are mechanically reliable insofar as never leaving you stranded, but I have never had more annoying issues with cars (wiper squirter popping out repeatedly, lower control arm bushings leaking, supercharger pulley bearings, and on and on.) I vehemently disagree that Range Rover and Jaguar quality is good.
V12 engines... I really don't know what to expect. The VW Group is wholeheartedly embracing alternative power systems and I think that with Lamborghini we will see them shift to hybrid drivetrains. Porsche is clearly going there. Pre-dieselgate, I would have said that Lamborghini is insulated from the tidal shift that is happening, but I'm not so sure that is the case and, clearly, Ferrari is putting pressure on them on this front. Rolls Royce is an odd duck insofar as not being a performance vehicle or catering to a customer base that cares about virtue signaling, and they are certainly not having any issue selling cars. BMW is playing catch-up on a lot of fronts and you have to wonder what the macro-strategy is for the family of brands. Bugatti, hell they will do whatever they want to do and not give a damn about VW so I think it's safe to say the W16 is safe. Aston Martin is also still developing their V12 despite being 2 years into a deal with AMG to supply V8s.
I should amend my earlier statement, V12 engines will live on in boutique and bespoke vehicles but if we are talking about more than a 1,500 vehicles per year, I think it's safe to say that only Ferrari and Mercedes were doing those numbers with V12 models. What do you think?
V12 engines... I really don't know what to expect. The VW Group is wholeheartedly embracing alternative power systems and I think that with Lamborghini we will see them shift to hybrid drivetrains. Porsche is clearly going there. Pre-dieselgate, I would have said that Lamborghini is insulated from the tidal shift that is happening, but I'm not so sure that is the case and, clearly, Ferrari is putting pressure on them on this front. Rolls Royce is an odd duck insofar as not being a performance vehicle or catering to a customer base that cares about virtue signaling, and they are certainly not having any issue selling cars. BMW is playing catch-up on a lot of fronts and you have to wonder what the macro-strategy is for the family of brands. Bugatti, hell they will do whatever they want to do and not give a damn about VW so I think it's safe to say the W16 is safe. Aston Martin is also still developing their V12 despite being 2 years into a deal with AMG to supply V8s.
I should amend my earlier statement, V12 engines will live on in boutique and bespoke vehicles but if we are talking about more than a 1,500 vehicles per year, I think it's safe to say that only Ferrari and Mercedes were doing those numbers with V12 models. What do you think?
05-15-2018, 07:13 PM
#18
Yup, I was like are you sure? They were yes it's a B service etc.. Oil change, air filter and more inspections is all they do.
I dropped it off thinking how much can an oil change be? Boy was I wrong when I went to pick it up..
I dropped it off thinking how much can an oil change be? Boy was I wrong when I went to pick it up..
05-16-2018, 12:54 AM
#19
Instructor
Had a 2007 E63. The 6.28L V8 NA engine that generated 507 HP was a blast to drive in a straight line. Enjoyed the car. Called it the smile machine as every time I got in the car, it made me smile. I had numerous issues with it. Had it towed twice out of my driveway. The rear air suspension failed and the entire rear dropped. Then the passenger side front air suspension failed and the front end dropped. If my memory is accurate, the rear suspension was $1,800 to repair while the front was $1,100. Traded it in for my first Porsche, a 997. We have had three MB's in total and had issues with all of them. I am done with the brand.
05-16-2018, 09:48 AM
#20
Rennlist Member
I have owned several AMGs and they all have been very reliable . Having said that I will never own them out of warranty,
by the way that car is way over priced
I test drove an S65 sedan couple of years back with 1200 miles , it was a 2016 , and the MSRP was 240 some and they were listing for 160 K , and they were willing to deal.
I personally did not like the V12 engine rev , it just felt weird . The sound starting the car was nice
by the way that car is way over priced
I test drove an S65 sedan couple of years back with 1200 miles , it was a 2016 , and the MSRP was 240 some and they were listing for 160 K , and they were willing to deal.
I personally did not like the V12 engine rev , it just felt weird . The sound starting the car was nice
05-30-2018, 07:08 PM
#21
Three Wheelin'
Look at this deal. Almost 1/2 off sticker for the absolute top of the food chain with 12K mile one the clock. Any thoughts about build quality, owning these out of warranty etc. They sure seem to depreciate like rocks.
http://www.cncexotics.com/detail-201...-17656515.html
Jim
http://www.cncexotics.com/detail-201...-17656515.html
Jim
The apprehension of the secondary market on these cars is real, especially those whose warranties are close to expiry.
05-31-2018, 12:25 AM
#22
Had a 2007 E63. The 6.28L V8 NA engine that generated 507 HP was a blast to drive in a straight line. Enjoyed the car. Called it the smile machine as every time I got in the car, it made me smile. I had numerous issues with it. Had it towed twice out of my driveway. The rear air suspension failed and the entire rear dropped. Then the passenger side front air suspension failed and the front end dropped. If my memory is accurate, the rear suspension was $1,800 to repair while the front was $1,100. Traded it in for my first Porsche, a 997. We have had three MB's in total and had issues with all of them. I am done with the brand.
05-31-2018, 10:19 AM
#23
Originally Posted by oalvarez
Boy you can say that again, and why I was so quick to sell mine (C63S) after a short time of ownership. I am glad to have had the ownership experience as the motor in these cars are absolutely phenomenal, but that’s where it ended for me. I simply missed the smallness and precision of the 991, none of which the Merc was. The tranny was a complete turnoff, the car heavy, the steering more luxe than sport. Not knocking the car, it just wasn’t for me.
The apprehension of the secondary market on these cars is real, especially those whose warranties are close to expiry.
The apprehension of the secondary market on these cars is real, especially those whose warranties are close to expiry.
05-31-2018, 04:15 PM
#25
Rennlist Member
Yes Plenty.. SL65, E63 S W212, E63 6.2 L, and S63AMG. A handful of non AMG Benz's in between. My advice to you is never buy one.
They depreciate like rock, are unreliable true daily drivers (I drive 40k miles a year), and all the service centers want to rip you off.
If you want to treat yourself and have a truly great car inside and out and also have one of the best driving experiences every single day, get yourself any porsche product. If your budget does not allow for that, BMW's are also very reliable, extremely great daily drivers. This is from beating up on countless bmw's with 120k + miles and many cayennes of up and over 120k miles without a single problem to report.
They depreciate like rock, are unreliable true daily drivers (I drive 40k miles a year), and all the service centers want to rip you off.
If you want to treat yourself and have a truly great car inside and out and also have one of the best driving experiences every single day, get yourself any porsche product. If your budget does not allow for that, BMW's are also very reliable, extremely great daily drivers. This is from beating up on countless bmw's with 120k + miles and many cayennes of up and over 120k miles without a single problem to report.
06-01-2018, 03:32 PM
#27
Rennlist Member
Yes Plenty.. SL65, E63 S W212, E63 6.2 L, and S63AMG. A handful of non AMG Benz's in between. My advice to you is never buy one.
They depreciate like rock, are unreliable true daily drivers (I drive 40k miles a year), and all the service centers want to rip you off.
If you want to treat yourself and have a truly great car inside and out and also have one of the best driving experiences every single day, get yourself any porsche product. If your budget does not allow for that, BMW's are also very reliable, extremely great daily drivers. This is from beating up on countless bmw's with 120k + miles and many cayennes of up and over 120k miles without a single problem to report.
They depreciate like rock, are unreliable true daily drivers (I drive 40k miles a year), and all the service centers want to rip you off.
If you want to treat yourself and have a truly great car inside and out and also have one of the best driving experiences every single day, get yourself any porsche product. If your budget does not allow for that, BMW's are also very reliable, extremely great daily drivers. This is from beating up on countless bmw's with 120k + miles and many cayennes of up and over 120k miles without a single problem to report.
06-01-2018, 04:07 PM
#28
Out of 33 cars in my ownership experience, exactly one was a Mercedes ('14 E550 Cabriolet). Yes, with the V8, it was fast and the drop top set up was nice. However, nothing about the car was special. The handling was boring, fit and finish was just fair, materials in the interior were not particularly nice and the brakes were a joke. The ride was horrible on anything but the smoothest road. It is on my mistake list.
06-01-2018, 08:29 PM
#29
Rennlist Member
06-01-2018, 09:51 PM
#30
Rennlist Member
There is a reason extended warranty co's won't touch the V12's with a ten foot pole. Just not worth it. Now a nicely optioned C63 with the 6.2 and the MCT (facelift), now they are GREAT daily drivers. And very, very solid cars. I've put many a mile on the couple I've owned and really loved them. Oh, and starting them up, pure joy. My 991.2 is just soooo boring when it comes to the noise it makes (or doesn't, for that matter).