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Interesting , I appreciate the education. So from the description the decision to ceramic coat is essentially a decision to move albeit “almost “....... permanently to another platform of paint care and protection. I may have to reconsider I may have placed too high of a premium on optionality. Given the benefits .. thank you
Sure thing. Watch the videos (YouTube) on kamikaze ISM and Polish angel cosmic spritz or Kamikaze overcoat & try it on a car of yours. I think you'll come full circle to embrace this chemical technology. There is some inherent anti-swirl/scratch benefit in needing to "touch the paint less" given their unique properties.
I totally get where you were coming from. I have applied ISM to my 3 mo old C-GTS and also used cosmic spritz as a "stand alone" on my 20 yr old Rossa Corsa F355. Previously the Ferrari had only seen polymer & wax. That car is likely an all time keeper for me & I swear it looks best it ever has w cosmic spritz on it. Both ceramic coatings (like ISM) and glass coatings (like cosmic spritz) are like polymer on steroids. Maybe 10x and 3x the longevity respectively with great optical properties.
I have to say I came to the discussion with several biases in regards to the coating phenomenon. So I assume a scratch or swirl is not taken out by removing/smoothing a portion of the clear coat with polisher but layered over with additional coating in a spray or using original application process?
Not talking so much about water spots as rain, puddle splashes and stuff you want to slide off.
Yeah, puddles and stuff basically slide off the car.
Originally Posted by Cleverland P car
I have to say I came to the discussion with several biases in regards to the coating phenomenon. So I assume a scratch or swirl is not taken out by removing/smoothing a portion of the clear coat with polisher but layered over with additional coating in a spray or using original application process?
Swirls/scratches are taken out with a polisher still, you prep the surface fully, then you apply the coating after all the paint correction if complete.
The following is what I have do on all my cars and the results are spectacular without coatings. I will say the cars that I have seen with coatings are truly deeper and richer in color but at a cost.
What bugs me about Autogeek/Autopia is that they're both owned by Palm Beach Motoring Group. So is Wolfgang and so is Blackfire. Not sure but Pinnacle might be as well. So it's kind of just a big racket. You have two forums, two websites etc selling several lines of products all owned by the same company. Something a bit disingenuous about it all imo.
I'm not sold on ceramic coating either as it's a bit permanent. For now I'll go the traditional route I've been going w/ my front end PPF, clay bar, Porter Cable (might step up to a Flex) new 210/110 Meg's combo and a good LSP. I may start using a ceramic spray wax like the new Meg's stuff. Seems easy enough to use, lasts several months reportedly, and is not permanent:
Here are 2 of our cars which were both coated when new (the 911 done with Ceramic Pro at the dealership, the MB done by me with CQuartz UK). This is after a simple wash 2 days ago and then an application of P&S Bead Maker to go on top of the coatings yesterday (which is a spray on, wipe off product that I've only recently become aware of and so far very impressed with. It creates the slickest surface I've encountered so far).
Sure thing. Watch the videos (YouTube) on kamikaze ISM and Polish angel cosmic spritz or Kamikaze overcoat & try it on a car of yours. I think you'll come full circle to embrace this chemical technology. There is some inherent anti-swirl/scratch benefit in needing to "touch the paint less" given their unique properties.
I totally get where you were coming from. I have applied ISM to my 3 mo old C-GTS and also used cosmic spritz as a "stand alone" on my 20 yr old Rossa Corsa F355. Previously the Ferrari had only seen polymer & wax. That car is likely an all time keeper for me & I swear it looks best it ever has w cosmic spritz on it. Both ceramic coatings (like ISM) and glass coatings (like cosmic spritz) are like polymer on steroids. Maybe 10x and 3x the longevity respectively with great optical properties.
I put Kamikaze on my Macan based on the videos by Esoteric. I really wanted to love it. But so far I think it's just OK. I think the CQuartz coating on the MB looks better.
As a separate matter, give the Bead Maker a try in place of the cosmic spritz. It's like $12 for a 16oz bottle so it's not a big investment. I have one of the cosmic angel top coats and again didn't love it. So far Bead Maker is my go to. Give it a try! (I have no affiliation).
11-30-2018, 07:10 PM
