After 8 hours of detailing and Ceramic Coating...
#33
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Is Wolfgang Deep Gloss sealant safe on PPF?
#34
Ceramic coating ( any one tell you how it comes off?)
First of all the car is perfect and you clearly know and enjoy the entire detailing process. A big reason I do not ceramic coat any of my collectibles is the removal process. To my knowledge and I would like to be wrong about Ceramic coating. The coating is not removable with a decontaminate soap or alcohol wipe or some special spray that removes the coating. If your like me and tend to hang on to cars and your car is AMAZING I would strongly advise using your traditional detailing techniques wax and sealant products. Why? Ease of removal. I just haven’t seen the results of an applied coating after 5 years. Those cars that are coated will have to have it removed. The removal process does involve compounding and in some cases wet sanding... Ouch. If I you plan on selling the car in 4 years then it’s immaterial. But for me ... I will ceramic coat the wheels because I swap them out a bit and I hate break dust. If I am in error about the ceramic removal process please educate me.
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First of all the car is perfect and you clearly know and enjoy the entire detailing process. A big reason I do not ceramic coat any of my collectibles is the removal process. To my knowledge and I would like to be wrong about Ceramic coating. The coating is not removable with a decontaminate soap or alcohol wipe or some special spray that removes the coating. If your like me and tend to hang on to cars and your car is AMAZING I would strongly advise using your traditional detailing techniques wax and sealant products. Why? Ease of removal. I just haven’t seen the results of an applied coating after 5 years. Those cars that are coated will have to have it removed. The removal process does involve compounding and in some cases wet sanding... Ouch. If I you plan on selling the car in 4 years then it’s immaterial. But for me ... I will ceramic coat the wheels because I swap them out a bit and I hate break dust. If I am in error about the ceramic removal process please educate me.
But so far, 7 months and 5,004 miles later, the car still looks like new, inside and out. Absolutely perfect. After looking at these pictures now, I have to admit, it does look pretty darn good!
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First of all the car is perfect and you clearly know and enjoy the entire detailing process. A big reason I do not ceramic coat any of my collectibles is the removal process. To my knowledge and I would like to be wrong about Ceramic coating. The coating is not removable with a decontaminate soap or alcohol wipe or some special spray that removes the coating. If your like me and tend to hang on to cars and your car is AMAZING I would strongly advise using your traditional detailing techniques wax and sealant products. Why? Ease of removal. I just haven’t seen the results of an applied coating after 5 years. Those cars that are coated will have to have it removed. The removal process does involve compounding and in some cases wet sanding... Ouch. If I you plan on selling the car in 4 years then it’s immaterial. But for me ... I will ceramic coat the wheels because I swap them out a bit and I hate break dust. If I am in error about the ceramic removal process please educate me.
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First of all the car is perfect and you clearly know and enjoy the entire detailing process. A big reason I do not ceramic coat any of my collectibles is the removal process. To my knowledge and I would like to be wrong about Ceramic coating. The coating is not removable with a decontaminate soap or alcohol wipe or some special spray that removes the coating. If your like me and tend to hang on to cars and your car is AMAZING I would strongly advise using your traditional detailing techniques wax and sealant products. Why? Ease of removal. I just haven’t seen the results of an applied coating after 5 years. Those cars that are coated will have to have it removed. The removal process does involve compounding and in some cases wet sanding... Ouch. If I you plan on selling the car in 4 years then it’s immaterial. But for me ... I will ceramic coat the wheels because I swap them out a bit and I hate break dust. If I am in error about the ceramic removal process please educate me.
#39
This is why . Your most recent top layer of coating or filler only looks as good as your bottom layer. In order to get your paint back to the way it looked when the coating was applied on day one after a multi step polished surface the ceramic coating must be “ abraded”. Scratches slight damage on your coating can’t be polished out only “ refreshed”. My guess is that 2/3 years time a mini industry of “remove your damaged coating will appear.” Can’t wait for the video of a fully PPF ceramic coated car getting the PPF pulled off because of the 5 year degradation of the PPF that’s covered in Ceramic. Oh wait... I ‘ll just spray some more stuff on ? Nope , you can damage your paint. Until the technology advances enough until I can wipe off the product that safley remove the Silicon Dioxide and Silicon Carbide based coatings I’ll pass. Good luck
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This is why . Your most recent top layer of coating or filler only looks as good as your bottom layer. In order to get your paint back to the way it looked when the coating was applied on day one after a multi step polished surface the ceramic coating must be “ abraded”. Scratches slight damage on your coating can’t be polished out only “ refreshed”. My guess is that 2/3 years time a mini industry of “remove your damaged coating will appear.” Can’t wait for the video of a fully PPF ceramic coated car getting the PPF pulled off because of the 5 year degradation of the PPF that’s covered in Ceramic. Oh wait... I ‘ll just spray some more stuff on ? Nope , you can damage your paint. Until the technology advances enough until I can wipe off the product that safley remove the Silicon Dioxide and Silicon Carbide based coatings I’ll pass. Good luck
#43
I have a N-XTC glascoating on my car. I did not choose for DIY because this is a serious difficult and specialist job.
Even if the air humidity is a bit off during the application of the coating can ruin the complete process.
The cleaning and (light) detailing (car was factory new) plus the application of the complete glascoating and sealant did take my specialist however more than 8 hours.
Of course during the use of the car imperfections and even small or larger damages will occur. But they now will occur in general in the glascoating layer instead of in the actual paint, which is conserved by the coating. My specialist will periodically reassess and reapply the top layer of the coating. Depending on the intensity of the usage of the car and the imperfections this can be done anywhere between every year or x years. I am allow for every 2-3 years. During this “update” the additional sealant layer is also reapplied because that layer will only last for 6-8 months of you use aggressive soaps or wash the car in a car wash.
Like stated before. Why would you want to remove the complete coating? In case of a severe damage you would normally have to respray the paint anyway and in that situation the coating will also have to be reapplied. In any other situation the coating keeps the paint better conserved and I can keep the car clean in a significantly more effective and efficient manner than before.
Even if the air humidity is a bit off during the application of the coating can ruin the complete process.
The cleaning and (light) detailing (car was factory new) plus the application of the complete glascoating and sealant did take my specialist however more than 8 hours.
Of course during the use of the car imperfections and even small or larger damages will occur. But they now will occur in general in the glascoating layer instead of in the actual paint, which is conserved by the coating. My specialist will periodically reassess and reapply the top layer of the coating. Depending on the intensity of the usage of the car and the imperfections this can be done anywhere between every year or x years. I am allow for every 2-3 years. During this “update” the additional sealant layer is also reapplied because that layer will only last for 6-8 months of you use aggressive soaps or wash the car in a car wash.
Like stated before. Why would you want to remove the complete coating? In case of a severe damage you would normally have to respray the paint anyway and in that situation the coating will also have to be reapplied. In any other situation the coating keeps the paint better conserved and I can keep the car clean in a significantly more effective and efficient manner than before.
Last edited by Mark993TT; 11-30-2018 at 03:43 PM.
#44
I don't see any problem with adding to ceramic coating after a few to 5 yrs. If you're a careful washer, you might just not even have to polish the whole car prior to re-applying. Also possible to maintain ceramic coatings during those 5years or more w a "sacrificial" layer such as cosmic spritz or overcoat -essentially eliminating the need to remove/recoat.
Unless you are hard on your paint through lifestyle and poor wash tech
, I think using something like cosmic spritz keeps you swirl and scratch free. Stuff is amazing!
Unless you are hard on your paint through lifestyle and poor wash tech
, I think using something like cosmic spritz keeps you swirl and scratch free. Stuff is amazing!
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I don't see any problem with adding to ceramic coating after a few to 5 yrs. If you're a careful washer, you might just not even have to polish the whole car prior to re-applying. Also possible to maintain ceramic coatings during those 5years or more w a "sacrificial" layer such as cosmic spritz or overcoat -essentially eliminating the need to remove/recoat.
Unless you are hard on your paint through lifestyle and poor wash tech
, I think using something like cosmic spritz keeps you swirl and scratch free. Stuff is amazing!
Unless you are hard on your paint through lifestyle and poor wash tech
, I think using something like cosmic spritz keeps you swirl and scratch free. Stuff is amazing!
Agree. I always, always dry my car with a 120MPH blower, followed by a generous spray of detailing spritz to keep it glowing.