"The 991 is a fat pig..."
04-28-2018, 07:06 PM
#46
04-28-2018, 08:19 PM
#47
Pro
Holy Crap!!! Why!!!! for heaven's sake....why would there be a pink 911. Pink 911 is a pig which in my book just doesn't "fly".
Looks like permanent advertisement for Pepto Bismol . Even my Missus saw these pics...she was like WTF WTF....She even told me, if she ever saw me driving one in this color, that she would have me sleep in the dog house till the car was sold or the color changed.
Seriously, this color makes me hurl.
04-28-2018, 09:40 PM
#48
I recently purchased a C7 Corvette as a daily driver. The 991 Turbo is going to be more of a weekend car and not something I drive to the office anymore. I don’t think of the 991 as a “large” car, but it is significantly bigger than the C7 Vette is in every way, every dimension.
Not a “problem”, but it did surprise me, I didn’t know that before purchasing the Corvette.
Not a “problem”, but it did surprise me, I didn’t know that before purchasing the Corvette.
04-28-2018, 10:06 PM
#49
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I have a 991, a 993, and an early 911. The 991 is not fat, but it is large. Very large. Too large. I love it, but if there's one thing I would change it is the size, and it's high-waistedness. My early car and 993 are like driving an extension of your hands. The 991 feels like a sedan.
04-28-2018, 10:23 PM
#50
I recently purchased a C7 Corvette as a daily driver. The 991 Turbo is going to be more of a weekend car and not something I drive to the office anymore. I don’t think of the 991 as a “large” car, but it is significantly bigger than the C7 Vette is in every way, every dimension.
Not a “problem”, but it did surprise me, I didn’t know that before purchasing the Corvette.
Not a “problem”, but it did surprise me, I didn’t know that before purchasing the Corvette.
04-29-2018, 12:18 AM
#51
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we were trying to figure out how best to fit them both in the garage at the same time and literally got out a handy measuring tape and measured them both. The 911 was bigger (I should not have used the word significantly). As it’s also taller it really looks much bigger in person. This equates to way more space and general comfort on the inside, which I like just fine. But again, I wasn’t expecting it to be bigger at all. I was surprised that it was.
04-29-2018, 08:37 AM
#52
04-29-2018, 01:17 PM
#53
Racer
I recently purchased a C7 Corvette as a daily driver. The 991 Turbo is going to be more of a weekend car and not something I drive to the office anymore. I don’t think of the 991 as a “large” car, but it is significantly bigger than the C7 Vette is in every way, every dimension.
Not a “problem”, but it did surprise me, I didn’t know that before purchasing the Corvette.
Not a “problem”, but it did surprise me, I didn’t know that before purchasing the Corvette.
04-29-2018, 02:45 PM
#54
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I like my friend just fine—and I like having friends who say it like they see it, especially with humor.
After laughing, I appreciated his (rather colorful) comments on the 991 because they reminded me of how some people perceive the car (as did I from time to time before the .2 shrunk the driving experience) and also got me thinking about how impressive the 991 really is. The 991 "reads" big in some ways, but then I remembered he was throwing rocks from his 996 Turbo (even if he wasn't in it that day). And, both in terms of its size against a 996 or 996, it really isn't that big, or heavy. If anything, the 991 represents a better use of space and impressive weight savings initiatives given the amount of systems, materials, and equipment on board compared to various 996s and 997s.
And the 991's wheelbase and back seats are what got me over the hump...along with how large today's sedans and sedan-based coupes are. If I look at an M4 or GT350, the 991 looks not only compact, but genius in terms of packaging. Much like the 996 did when you compared it to a 645i back in the day. To my shock, they had roughly similar interior space, but one was a "bit" larger than the other...
Anyway, I started this thread more as a conversation starter...it only gets more interesting when you plug other 991.2s or 997s or 991.1s etc into the specs.
After laughing, I appreciated his (rather colorful) comments on the 991 because they reminded me of how some people perceive the car (as did I from time to time before the .2 shrunk the driving experience) and also got me thinking about how impressive the 991 really is. The 991 "reads" big in some ways, but then I remembered he was throwing rocks from his 996 Turbo (even if he wasn't in it that day). And, both in terms of its size against a 996 or 996, it really isn't that big, or heavy. If anything, the 991 represents a better use of space and impressive weight savings initiatives given the amount of systems, materials, and equipment on board compared to various 996s and 997s.
And the 991's wheelbase and back seats are what got me over the hump...along with how large today's sedans and sedan-based coupes are. If I look at an M4 or GT350, the 991 looks not only compact, but genius in terms of packaging. Much like the 996 did when you compared it to a 645i back in the day. To my shock, they had roughly similar interior space, but one was a "bit" larger than the other...
Anyway, I started this thread more as a conversation starter...it only gets more interesting when you plug other 991.2s or 997s or 991.1s etc into the specs.
04-29-2018, 10:16 PM
#55
Modern cars are big. It’s a result of government regulation. Blame lawyers, Ralph Nader and the people who want to demonize large corporations, Some of you probably voted for the politicians that push this crap and CAFE standards so it’s your fault too. Porsches are daily drivers to me and a daily driver needs to be new and reliable. There aren’t too many new reliable daily drivers that aren’t large, Porsches are actually some of the lightest out there. So, I don’t have a problem with Porsches being a little larger. I do have a problem with Ferraris being large because they shouldn’t be daily drivers. That’s why I have the last of the small Ferraris, a 355. The 360 doesn’t weigh more but it is big. It’s similiar to 996 vs 991. The material of construction enabled them to build a larger car that weighs the same.
All these dum dums that vote for the party of government regulation will soon have you driving 5000 pound Tesla too. The government wil pay you $7500 to buy a $100k car that will save you a couple thousand in gas. It’s truly an age of dummies we live in. That’s why you can’t have a new small Porsche.
All these dum dums that vote for the party of government regulation will soon have you driving 5000 pound Tesla too. The government wil pay you $7500 to buy a $100k car that will save you a couple thousand in gas. It’s truly an age of dummies we live in. That’s why you can’t have a new small Porsche.
04-29-2018, 11:10 PM
#56
For me one of negatives of the 991 is its size. Even though 991 is hardly a pig, I hope it was little smaller. My 928 gts was about same size and it was a really heavy feeling car compare to 991 or other 911 I owned.
04-30-2018, 12:07 PM
#57
Three Wheelin'
Just an observation, but it seems to me that somewhere along my time here in the world (74 years) it has gone from a "that's not for me" world to a "you are an idiot for having that" world. Whether it is the model of the car, the type of exhaust system, the transmission, the color or just about anything else.... we had plenty of discussion about the attributes, value, or desirability of something but never to such a "nasty" or personal level as it seems to occur now more and more ... guess it just he way of the world .....
04-30-2018, 12:18 PM
#58
I recently purchased a C7 Corvette as a daily driver. The 991 Turbo is going to be more of a weekend car and not something I drive to the office anymore. I don’t think of the 991 as a “large” car, but it is significantly bigger than the C7 Vette is in every way, every dimension.
This is only your impression as the data do not bear this assertion out (actually 991 is 3" narrower in Base):
991 C7 delta
Height 51 48.6 2.4
Length 177 177 0
Width 71 74 -3
Weight 3175 3444 -269
I do agree that inside - the 991 *feels* airier / bigger. That's why I chose it as I'm tall.
04-30-2018, 01:34 PM
#59
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Thread Starter
A few years ago, these videos prompted me to rethink what I drive every day—and will pay for, especially in light of what I pay for in healthcare each month! When it comes to safety technology, each generation can make a big difference. I'm not ready for a Volvo XC90 just yet, and I'll still drive a vintage Porsche from time to time, but the 991 represents a far more attractive bet in today's world of distracted drivers than many of my previous choices.
Chevy vs Chevy
Modern compact vs Volvo 940
Last edited by stout; 04-30-2018 at 05:56 PM.
04-30-2018, 04:20 PM
#60
Ironic that you would say everything after the 964, as it was the heft—both real and perceived—that prompted the famous "Light Stable Agile" report by Peter Falk, which led to the 993. The engineers worked hard to make the 993 lighter than the 964, and they succeeded in making the 996 lighter than the 993.
Ironic that you would say everything after the 964, as it was the heft—both real and perceived—that prompted the famous "Light Stable Agile" report by Peter Falk, which led to the 993. The engineers worked hard to make the 993 lighter than the 964, and they succeeded in making the 996 lighter than the 993.
This.
Yep.
A few years ago, these videos prompted me to rethink what I drive every day—and will pay for, especially in light of what I pay for in healthcare each month! When it comes to safety technology, each generation can make a big difference. I'm not ready for a Volvo XC90 just yet, and I'll still drive a vintage Porsche from time to time, but the 991 represents a far more attractive bet in today's world of distracted drivers than many of my previous choices.
Chevy vs Chevy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_r5UJrxcck
Modern compact vs Volvo 940
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emtLLvXrrFs
Ironic that you would say everything after the 964, as it was the heft—both real and perceived—that prompted the famous "Light Stable Agile" report by Peter Falk, which led to the 993. The engineers worked hard to make the 993 lighter than the 964, and they succeeded in making the 996 lighter than the 993.
This.
Yep.
A few years ago, these videos prompted me to rethink what I drive every day—and will pay for, especially in light of what I pay for in healthcare each month! When it comes to safety technology, each generation can make a big difference. I'm not ready for a Volvo XC90 just yet, and I'll still drive a vintage Porsche from time to time, but the 991 represents a far more attractive bet in today's world of distracted drivers than many of my previous choices.
Chevy vs Chevy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_r5UJrxcck
Modern compact vs Volvo 940
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emtLLvXrrFs