"The 991 is a fat pig..."
#31
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Sure 991 is a fat pig, but what a pig, it sure can fly fast!!!!
PS - I am glad that I have not seen a 991 in pink, I will throw up if such a color exists for this model generation
PS - I am glad that I have not seen a 991 in pink, I will throw up if such a color exists for this model generation
#32
Actually, my friend called it something else I won't repeat here. Was pretty funny hearing it from him given that he's a...996 Turbo owner. Said he couldn't get over how humongous and heavy 991s are. I challenged his notion on the weight—stating a 991.2 Carrera, even with its twin-turbo flat six, is far lighter than his 996 Turbo. But I knew I'd have to go back and look at weights and measures. It was pretty fun to do so.
996 Turbo 6MT per Porsche AG
· CURB WEIGHT 3,395 pounds (2001), 3,505 (2005 S)
· LENGTH 174.6 inches
· WIDTH 72.1 inches
· WHEELBASE 92.5 inches
· HEIGHT 51.0 inches
· POWER 415 hp @ 6000 rpm
· TORQUE 415 lb-ft @ 2700-4600 rpm
· REDLINE 6750 rpm
· WHEELS 18x8, 18x11
· TIRES 225/40R18, 295/30R18
991.2 Carrera 7MT per Porsche AG
· CURB WEIGHT 3,152 pounds (243-353 pounds lighter)
· LENGTH 177.1 inches (2.5 inches longer)
· WIDTH 71.2 inches (0.9 inch narrower)
· WHEELBASE 96.5 inches
· HEIGHT 50.9 inches
· POWER 370 hp @ 6500 rpm
· TORQUE 331 lb-ft @ 1700-5000 rpm
· REDLINE 7500 rpm
· WHEELS 19x8.5, 19x11.5
· TIRES 235/40R19, 295/35R19
So the latest Carrera is 2.5 inches longer and a bit narrower. IIRC, 996 Turbos were always well over their stated weight when we weighed them at Excellence. Would be interesting to see how 991.2s measure up to their weights, as I have less experience with that. Anyway, thought I'd share these numbers.
996 Turbo 6MT per Porsche AG
· CURB WEIGHT 3,395 pounds (2001), 3,505 (2005 S)
· LENGTH 174.6 inches
· WIDTH 72.1 inches
· WHEELBASE 92.5 inches
· HEIGHT 51.0 inches
· POWER 415 hp @ 6000 rpm
· TORQUE 415 lb-ft @ 2700-4600 rpm
· REDLINE 6750 rpm
· WHEELS 18x8, 18x11
· TIRES 225/40R18, 295/30R18
991.2 Carrera 7MT per Porsche AG
· CURB WEIGHT 3,152 pounds (243-353 pounds lighter)
· LENGTH 177.1 inches (2.5 inches longer)
· WIDTH 71.2 inches (0.9 inch narrower)
· WHEELBASE 96.5 inches
· HEIGHT 50.9 inches
· POWER 370 hp @ 6500 rpm
· TORQUE 331 lb-ft @ 1700-5000 rpm
· REDLINE 7500 rpm
· WHEELS 19x8.5, 19x11.5
· TIRES 235/40R19, 295/35R19
So the latest Carrera is 2.5 inches longer and a bit narrower. IIRC, 996 Turbos were always well over their stated weight when we weighed them at Excellence. Would be interesting to see how 991.2s measure up to their weights, as I have less experience with that. Anyway, thought I'd share these numbers.
In fact the more you think about it the less sense it makes to complain about size and weight at all. For one thing, a huge amount of the weight is down to regulations. Back in the day, before air bags and all the rest, a 911R was so featherweight light that according to R&T you could lift the fronts in 1st, and the hood was so thin you could see it dent in at 150. Today's R is so hyper-regulated that even with all their tricks its all they can do to shave a few pounds. A lot of this is down to regulations. What's left is down to the fact the basic platform they started with is already so damn lean by modern standards there really is very little left to remove. Pretty much have to literally remove- seats.... insulation...
As for size it seems a lot of guys are missing the point the 911 is (and has been for a while now) basically a 200 mph supercar. Just because we can hardly do that here in the land of the unfree doesn't free Porsche from the laws of physics. Which is another thing a lot of guys are totally missing. Because the physics of a car that fast is and has to be inherently different than one much slower. Those early 911's could be small with a short wheelbase because they were nowhere near 991 performance. The air-cooleds for the most part, while they had top speeds of about 150, it took them a good long ways winding out that last 20 to 30 mph. The 991 hits 150 faster than you can count the days that will land you in jail. And then it just keeps on pulling. Speeds like that, you not only want, you NEED a longer wheelbase!
But then, extra credit, Porsche does it one better. They go and give the car rear axle steering that allows the car to emulate a car with an even longer wheelbase at high speeds, AND a car with a much shorter wheelbase at low speeds.
Looks can be deceiving. So much so, scroll up, its even possible to have two cars in your garage and think the BIGGER one is SMALLER!!! (News flash- according to the interweb the C7 is bigger- not smaller- in length, width and weight.) What Porsche has pulled off in the 911 is a seemingly impossible feat of massive technological revolution married to conservative preservation of original concept. Borderline magic.
#33
Although it will make the car feel bigger, the longer wheel base might improve high speed stability at the track, if that is important to you.
#34
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#35
Big isn't necessarily bad as long as you can keep the weight down. The thing I found most impressive about Ferrari's new Pista is a CLAIMED 2800lb weight
Jim
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#39
The seemingly impossible trick Porsche has pulled off is getting us to pay massive amounts of money for every aspect of their little technological revolution. Borderline insanity.
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#41
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I recently purchased a C7 Corvette as a daily driver. The 991 Turbo is going to be more of a weekend car and not something I drive to the office anymore. I don’t think of the 991 as a “large” car, but it is significantly bigger than the C7 Vette is in every way, every dimension.
Not a “problem”, but it did surprise me, I didn’t know that before purchasing the Corvette.
Not a “problem”, but it did surprise me, I didn’t know that before purchasing the Corvette.
A Grand Sport is in the 3400 lb range. My guess is that is a couple of hundred more than a Carreras actual weight. Of course , you can get the C7 with 650 hp too.
I am not sure I want a 991 to replace my 981S. I know for sure I don't want a 718. And I'm not going to spend Turbo money.
#42
Burning Brakes
Lol, some of you guys have been around 911s for about 5 minutes and probably never raced, tracked, corner balanced and weighed or actually dealt with any of these issues whatsoever.
I responded with mfg weights in response to the OP's post which cited mfg weights . . . so I was comparing apples to apples and we have no idea what fruit you are using.
Can you provide link so we can see exactly what was weighed. Did it have gas, what was equipment, did they weigh it with driver and etc.
I responded with mfg weights in response to the OP's post which cited mfg weights . . . so I was comparing apples to apples and we have no idea what fruit you are using.
Can you provide link so we can see exactly what was weighed. Did it have gas, what was equipment, did they weigh it with driver and etc.
Porsche is reasonably honest with its quoted weights, though those weights tend to be for cars with no options. As a result most purchased, or tested cars are a bit heavier. However, some manufacturers are less accurate. Ferraris have been know to weigh 500 pounds more than their claimed weights--perhaps their interiors, crankcases and fuel tanks were filled with hydrogen?
P.S. I drove my first 911 in 1973.
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Actually, my friend called it something else I won't repeat here. Was pretty funny hearing it from him given that he's a...996 Turbo owner. Said he couldn't get over how humongous and heavy 991s are. I challenged his notion on the weight—stating a 991.2 Carrera, even with its twin-turbo flat six, is far lighter than his 996 Turbo. But I knew I'd have to go back and look at weights and measures. It was pretty fun to do so.
996 Turbo 6MT per Porsche AG
· CURB WEIGHT 3,395 pounds (2001), 3,505 (2005 S)
· LENGTH 174.6 inches
· WIDTH 72.1 inches
· WHEELBASE 92.5 inches
· HEIGHT 51.0 inches
· POWER 415 hp @ 6000 rpm
· TORQUE 415 lb-ft @ 2700-4600 rpm
· REDLINE 6750 rpm
· WHEELS 18x8, 18x11
· TIRES 225/40R18, 295/30R18
991.2 Carrera 7MT per Porsche AG
· CURB WEIGHT 3,152 pounds (243-353 pounds lighter)
· LENGTH 177.1 inches (2.5 inches longer)
· WIDTH 71.2 inches (0.9 inch narrower)
· WHEELBASE 96.5 inches
· HEIGHT 50.9 inches
· POWER 370 hp @ 6500 rpm
· TORQUE 331 lb-ft @ 1700-5000 rpm
· REDLINE 7500 rpm
· WHEELS 19x8.5, 19x11.5
· TIRES 235/40R19, 295/35R19
So the latest Carrera is 2.5 inches longer and a bit narrower. IIRC, 996 Turbos were always well over their stated weight when we weighed them at Excellence. Would be interesting to see how 991.2s measure up to their weights, as I have less experience with that. Anyway, thought I'd share these numbers.
996 Turbo 6MT per Porsche AG
· CURB WEIGHT 3,395 pounds (2001), 3,505 (2005 S)
· LENGTH 174.6 inches
· WIDTH 72.1 inches
· WHEELBASE 92.5 inches
· HEIGHT 51.0 inches
· POWER 415 hp @ 6000 rpm
· TORQUE 415 lb-ft @ 2700-4600 rpm
· REDLINE 6750 rpm
· WHEELS 18x8, 18x11
· TIRES 225/40R18, 295/30R18
991.2 Carrera 7MT per Porsche AG
· CURB WEIGHT 3,152 pounds (243-353 pounds lighter)
· LENGTH 177.1 inches (2.5 inches longer)
· WIDTH 71.2 inches (0.9 inch narrower)
· WHEELBASE 96.5 inches
· HEIGHT 50.9 inches
· POWER 370 hp @ 6500 rpm
· TORQUE 331 lb-ft @ 1700-5000 rpm
· REDLINE 7500 rpm
· WHEELS 19x8.5, 19x11.5
· TIRES 235/40R19, 295/35R19
So the latest Carrera is 2.5 inches longer and a bit narrower. IIRC, 996 Turbos were always well over their stated weight when we weighed them at Excellence. Would be interesting to see how 991.2s measure up to their weights, as I have less experience with that. Anyway, thought I'd share these numbers.
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My low option 991.2 C2 MT weights 120 lbs more, ie 3272 lbs. Options: Sport Seats Plus, Sport Exhaust, Bose, RS Spyder wheels, Standard Interior.
My 996.2 GT3 I ordered NO options (no AC, no radio, no floor mats). Its weight was 100 lbs more than Porsche's spec.
My rule of thumb is to add at least 100 lbs to whatever Porsche says.
My 996.2 GT3 I ordered NO options (no AC, no radio, no floor mats). Its weight was 100 lbs more than Porsche's spec.
My rule of thumb is to add at least 100 lbs to whatever Porsche says.
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We may crab about the weight but Porsche has done a great job of adding performance without adding weight. As for the people crabbing about all the Gov regulations, I do also, I know which car I would want to be driving in an accident and it isn't a 993 or older Porsche.
Peter
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