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In all honesty I'm not worried at all about it being fixed to like new. If it can be put together once, it can be put together again.
What really frosts my butt, and is making me sick is after having it all of 3 weeks, in the blink of an eye it has been turned into a leper. When the times comes, I'll never be able to sell this thing with the carfax hanging over it. I probably won't be able to trade it to a Porsche dealer either. Not positive, but I thought I read somewhere a car in an accident can't be CPO'd, so what dealer wants a car he can't CPO. Maybe getting it repaired in a PACC, negates that CPO problem, don't know yet. I figure at some point, I'll have to either essentially give it away, or take it to my grave. Good thing I like the car.
They can CPO cars that had minor accidents with no substructure damage and only one or two panels damaged (I can't remember the specifics). Document the HELL out of the repair work, including detailed pictures with the bumper cover off the car, etc. and it shouldn't impact you too much. I know this because in my CPO search, there were a couple of CPO cars I came across that had minor accidents reported in Carfax and dealer said they could CPO if it was only minor damage.
Document the HELL out of the repair work, including detailed pictures with the bumper cover off the car, etc. and it shouldn't impact you too much.
This-^ X 991
If you get detailed pictures of each stage of the repair you will minimize future impact on value if the damage isn’t too extensive. What drives value down is the unknowns about a body damage repair.
Now gettiing those pictures might be tough unless you hover around the shop or promise extra cash if the shop manager will take pictures, etc. The last is also a measure of the shop’s pride in their own work.
They can CPO cars that had minor accidents with no substructure damage and only one or two panels damaged (I can't remember the specifics). Document the HELL out of the repair work, including detailed pictures with the bumper cover off the car, etc. and it shouldn't impact you too much. I know this because in my CPO search, there were a couple of CPO cars I came across that had minor accidents reported in Carfax and dealer said they could CPO if it was only minor damage.
Hopefully it won't make the Carfax and maybe that would minimize some of the hit if your ever trade it but still I would advocate being totally honest on it with whomever owns it next and agree documentation of the fix and a correct fix is key as others have said. Also will help when pursuing DV due to the damage as you've mentioned. I'd try to get that anyway just in case you do see a significant drop in valuation due to the damage/repair.
Big unknown here is what lurks underneath the bumper. Force require to bend exhaust tips and such may be enough to transmits that energy to the rest of the sub frame and even engine (remember its mounted in the back) so you definitely want someone who knows what they are looking at to look closely once that rear cover is off. I'd also have them pull the front bumper too just to inspect and make sure. My damage looked quite superficial (see my post/reply above) and yet once they got things undone the Porsche approved shop found shifted panels and things moved out of alignment that would have cause issues down the road and that needed to be repaired. Thus what looked like just a bumper cover replacement ended up a being a $10k job basically in the end. GL
Lady in a Maxivan ran a red light in northern VA doing 9k in damage to my wife 3k mile accord. After repairs took it to carmax told them it was wrecked and gave them recepts for bodywork. They offered around 12k. Submitted to Maxivans drivers insurance and they paid 6k diminished value after some hagling. On your car worth paying a lawyer
probably. Look at the bright side, at least you did not kick the old lady's *** and end up in jail.
Originally Posted by mdrobc1213
Same happened to me a while back in my 991S...dude just backed into my front end while leaving the Bellagio in Vegas....said oh it'll buff right out for a couple of hundred dollars right? Yeah right..Ended up being about $8k worth of repairs after the shop took a look underneath the sheet metal. Had pushed quite a few things out of line in my front end/fender and hood assembly that shouldn't be that way and weren't that way from the factory. Also scratched one of my front headlights. So agree..make sure you take it to a recommended Porsche Collision repair shop and let them open it up to see what actually may be damaged!
I think you read above about proving diminished value. That could help you. I have never done that but have now learned a lot from Rennlist posters about the value of hiring a lawyer to help make you whole.
Having gone through it in 2016 I can understand how it makes you upset. Somebody took a tire iron to my car. I am not over it, lol.
I think you read above about proving diminished value. That could help you. I have never done that but have now learned a lot from Rennlist posters about the value of hiring a lawyer to help make you whole.
Having gone through it in 2016 I can understand how it makes you upset. Somebody took a tire iron to my car. I am not over it, lol.
I still have flashbacks and nightmares about the 17 year old girl plowing into my previous 911.....
Just thought I'd put the finishing touches on this nightmare in case anyone was interested.
It took from February until the end of June to get the car repaired. It was a 3 month wait just to get into the PACC, and then it took 6 more weeks because they apparently don't stock any parts in the U.S. The repairs were pretty simple, but it took forever to get parts from the fatherland as they were uncovered as needed. The repair bill ended up at $13K (plus an expensive rental) despite it being pretty straight forward R&R parts. Not a scratch on the frame, just a whole new exhaust system (cats & muffler), new heat shields, and new bumper cover. They had to clear any codes before returning it to me, but there hadn't been a code thrown since I picked it up originally. Unfortunately, I got the car back just in time to put it up for the summer months when I go to my place in NH. Got back the 3rd week in Sept., and the car has been great since then.
While in NH I started the diminished value claim with State Farm. I was a little worried that the fact the perp and I had the same insurance company would be a problem, but in all honesty I think that was a positive. I did a lot of reading about DV and visited lawyer sites showing settled claims. It became pretty obvious that severity & complexity of the damages along with loss of use were the big factors in the settlement. In fact, the specialist lawyer sites I visited made it a point that they believed an airbag deployment should legally force a vehicle to be a total loss. Not unsurprisingly, all their settlement examples were serious damage with an airbag deployment, and big numbers.
My car never came close to fitting that profile, and the fact I never looked at the rear ending as a lottery ticket, led me to go it on my own with the insurance company. State Farm was really good the whole way during this the claim. They paid everything on the repairs with no push back at all, and they made the reservation for my loaner as a luxury car, which got pretty expensive for 6 weeks.
I might have lucked out with an outstanding claim rep at State Farm, as we developed a good relationship from the get-go. She never played dumb on the DV claim, and just said there is no rush (FL allows 4 years) so let's just do it right. The interesting thing is we kicked around a lot of ideas, but I never submitted anything to them other than a copy of the vehicle bill of sale establishing the selling price. We had a back and forth, and they finally agreed to my last settlement offer at $14K. Yeah I know, if they took my last offer I got screwed.
I don't actually feel that way, as I seriously doubt I could have net much more with an attorney. If I could have, that's my bad. I don't plan to sell the car anytime soon, and the DV goes down every year with the normal depreciation. At the end of the day it cost State Farm $30K for a seeming "fender bender".
You've got it all documented and a good repair so I don't see why you wouldn't have any issue having it CPO'd. My 13 Carrera was keyed, fully repainted and sold CPO'd to the guy who bought it from me.
02-22-2018, 11:38 AM
Meanwhile I'll just drive and enjoy it! 
